Virginia AG wants to criminalize oral and anal sex

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  1. thebrucebeat

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    I looked at your thread and the CDC link and I saw no evidence that there was a 39% increase in HIV in this demographic. I saw that the most sexually active demographic was also the demo that had less than half the cases of the disease.
    You are either not very capable of parsing information or are preying on others who are incapable.
    Either way, pretty humiliating for you.
     
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    1) I would like people to stop saying the guy wants to criminalize x or y. It is already criminal in Virginia, and a lot of folks have been convicted under it. There are a few things to note.
    Forcible Sodomy: http://vacode.org/18.2-67.1/
    Crimes Against Nature: http://vacode.org/18.2-361/

    A. Until 2005, you were immune from rape or forced sodomy laws if you were married, not legally separated and living apart. The provision of immunity changed to having to complete counseling on why women aren't property anymore.
    It began softening in 1999 when it was changed "However, no person shall be found guilty under this subsection unless, at the time of the alleged offense, (i) the spouses were living separate and apart, or (ii) the defendant caused (serious to physical bodily) injury to the spouse by the use of force or violence." It was further changed to leave that as an option to the judges discretion.

    B. The crimes against nature charge describes sodomy, but is not so named... and was enacted in 1960. This is the one they want.

    C. It is still illegal to fornicate while not married. http://vacode.org/18.2-344/

    2) The law does not need to be abolished, but changed. This is the law they use when they have a "willing" underage person 13 or older that is more than three years in difference... so it is not forced sodomy. The circumstances dictate whether it is a class 6 5 or 3 felony (eg incest). It should be restricted to that use and not include "any man or woman".
     
  3. Celeborn

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    Cool story bro.

    Unfortunately the case in question in 2013 involves two people having CONSENSUAL ORAL sex. You know. The type plenty of wives and husbands have. He wants to make common marital relations a felon and send state troopers into married couples' bedrooms. You know. "Small government conservatism."
     
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    What about "the law needs to be changed" did you not understand?
     
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    I am just amazed that the GOP couldn't come up with a better candidate. The GOP has tons of moderates in Virginia politics.

    Cuccinelli is a failure.
     
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    If the law criminalizes the consensual oral and anal sex between adults, then the law is bad and has to be changed.

    Yes, anal sex is more risky than vaginal. Oral sex is less risky. If one is careful, none of these is a greater risk than the many risky activities adult people are allowed to undertake (even when there is no serious reason for taking such risk, even if you want to do them just for fun). Such law is therefore unjustified and if there is no sufficient justification for criminalization of something, then it's wrong to criminalize it.

    And in my opinion the reason, why most people who defend such law, defend is, is not a concern about public health, but unreasoned subjective morality. It's completely unacceptable to impose such morality on others. If people were concerned about public health, they would support sexual education and by that I don't mean frightening young people by overrating risks and abstinence only education, but objective sexual education that informs among others about things like condoms, tests for HIV, etc.
     
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    Ladies and gentlemen may I point your attention to the supreme court case of Lawrence v. Texas?

    Anti-sodomy laws that criminalize sex acts between consenting adults is unconstitutional.

    Thank you
     
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    But this is exactly that the GOP is saying they must do to become a viable party again. They need to move further to the right. Virginia will be a good test to see how that works out for them. I am tired of hearing how McCain and Willard were not conservative enough to win the Presidency. Virginia could stay in the red if they had nominated someone moderate. But this is what the TP and the GOP wants. Let's see how it plays in northern Virginia.
     
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    I mean, the GOP is dead wrong if they think moving to the right on social issues is the answer. The real answer is to be socially neutral.
     
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    The estremes that the TP put up in the last couple elections doomed the GOP chances to gain the Senate. Karl Rove is not loaded with millions in a quest to keep that from happening again. It is going to be interesting when the primaries start to get going and the TP and Rove clash. Bring some popcorn and put your feet up.
     
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    Whoever is running their outfit needs their thinker-box worked on. I agree. I think I get what the idea is. They think if they run to the far right, the sheer weight of that will tip people in the middle over the conservative boundry. They're all over the place with this. And they have no focus, nor any idea on how thinking people [I call them "goats"] in the middle actually put concepts together. The GOP strategists are getting as dumb as the democratic ones. And that's saying something! They mistake the folks in the middle as sheep that can be spooked or herded in one direction. Goats when you spook them, scatter in all different unpredictable directions. And when the votes lately have had margins that are razor thin, the words "middle votes" and "unpredictable" should never occur in the same sentence.

    Like it or not, in order to woo these pragmatic and stubborn people, you have to have a long, sane, logical conversation with them. You don't, for instance, tell them how abortion is wrong, and then turn your back on healthcare for needy kids. See, goats have minds that put the two opposed concepts together and say.."hey, wait a minute!..". And then they instantly don't trust you and your work becomes 10 times harder. The abortion thing of course is their preliminary warm up for wooing the hispanic vote. They'll back away from it after 2014 and 2016, don't worry. The GOP don't want a bunch of unwanted kids clamoring for jobs and healthcare. They really don't give a rats about women and abortion.
     
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    Cuccinelli didn't come out of the ranks of the TEA Party. :roll:

    You may now carry on with your rant...
     
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    They don't even have to be socially neutral - they just need to ditch the extremist nonsense.
     
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    So who are the Tea Partyers supporting for Governor of Virginia???
     
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    Absolutely true. Someone could be pretty fiscally conservative and steer clear of these crazy social issues and do pretty well in many places.
     
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    I think a bunch of us should get together and go to the state for a MASSIVE "blow-in" oral sex protest to defy this evil law! Can we find some female volunteers?
     
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    So he walks like a duck, he speaks like a duck, and he smells like a duck....but he is not a duck? Yeah....sure. He is the Darling of the TP. He does not like to announce it though. I am not sure why....

    http://news.yahoo.com/tea-party-hero-cuccinelli-va-gop-gov-nominee-145738353.html
     
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    It's pretty certain that they won't vote for a Leftist, so they'll vote for Cucuinelli, Robert Sarvis or none of the above.

    Nevertheless, Cuccinelli did not come out of the ranks of the TEA Party.
     
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    According to your own article, Cuccinelli is "generally beloved by the tea party for his aggressive challenges to federal mandates" (i.e., the mandates in ObamaCare), and this is true. I don't see anything in there about him emerging from the ranks of the TEA Party, and there's a reason for that.
     
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    Yes fiddler...any excuse for public sex displays [exhibitionism]. See: "symptoms manifest in adults of childhood sexual abuse"...
     
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    So you need laws to help you out in that area ?

    That must suck.
     
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    Uh... second word... "Montoya".



    The comment was "dying unnecessarily".

    Because they are getting AIDS at an "increased rate".

    Which is pretty well known if you read these reports.
     
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    All well and good but Penny's reason was:

    So Celeborn's question was legit.... and humorous.
     
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    That does nothing in regard to these 90 who have already been sentenced.


    The idea isn't to peep in your windows while you, and whomever, are doing whatever gets you off.


    zzz.... then don't do it in public. If you really believe that then keep it in the bedroom and they'll never know.



    Well... Eric Holder and the NSA will know. But beyond Obama and the rest of the admin... he won't tell anyone.
     
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    Silly likes to claim that the increases both homosexual and HETEROSEXUAL are because of gay sex. I like to point out the stupidity in that.
     

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