Virginia is the front line now

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  1. TOG 6

    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

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    Just to be clear:
    You believe MLK would not support shooting the people trying to rape and lynch your wife and daughter.
    Right?
     
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    Malcolm X had a different view of how to achieve human rights for Black people than MLK did. He believed that Black people should defend themselves and secure their rights by any means necessary.
    Malcolm X would be more in line with the 2A and gun rights people.
     
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    Malcolm X had a different view of how to achieve human rights for Black people than MLK did. He believed that Black people should defend themselves and secure their rights by any means necessary.
    Malcolm X would be more in line with the 2A and gun rights people.
     
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    OK... and?
    This doesn't mean MLK would prefer a man allow his wife and daughters to be raped and lynched, over shooting those doing it.
     
  5. Moriah

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    I don't know. If he felt that way, why didn't he order his followers to protect themselves?
    Do you know anything about the South?
     
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    Oh, I think you do.
     
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    For the record: I have a daughter, but I don't have a wife. I'm a woman. :)
     
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    I acknowledge again your total inability to support the claim you made, the fact you don't have the integrity to admit you made it up, and accept your concession.
     
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    This horse is dead isn't he? Why are you still beating him? :deadhorse::deadhorse:
     
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    It's just amusing watching you not have enough integrity to admit you made up that claim.
     
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    It's amusing watching you follow me around. You're not a stalker are you?
     
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    You keep quoting me and responding, so you must like the attention.
    Ready to admit you made it up yet?
     
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    I am putting you on ignore as of now. It was fun talking to you. Bye.
     
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    Martin Luther King applied for a firearms permit. He was denied said permit because those charged with the authority to issue permits were racist and did not want a black male individual legally able to carry or own a firearm. Therefore the two issues are inseparable from one another.
     
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    Lol pathetic
     
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    Their plans were thwarted by the FBI.

    "Federal agents, who had secretly recorded those remarks in a bugged apartment during a domestic terrorism investigation, pounced on seven members of the group [the Base] last week in advance of a rally Monday by gun rights advocates in Richmond, Virginia. Three members of one cell in Maryland affiliated with the group plotted attacks at the rally, hoping to ignite wider violence that would lead to the creation of a white ethno-state, law enforcement officials said."
    https://news.yahoo.com/face-white-supremacy-plots-expose-131512591.html
     
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    Ultimately meaningless and irrelevant to the ongoing discussion, as the rally had nothing to do with white supremacy.
     
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    Are we suggesting that people whose intention was not to attend the rally but rather to hijack it and try to turn it into something it wasn't are representative of those who did attend the rally--who are not members of this hate group--and who did not share their goal?

    If so then the only thing being proven here is that anti-gunners really believe that white gun owners must be fascists, and that those who want to believe this nonsense will abandon all reason and common sense in an attempt to discredit the thousands who exercised their 1st Amendment right to demand protection of everyone's 2nd Amendment right by falsely painting them with the brush of white supremacy.

    What ever happened to the ability to have a reasonable discussion about the 2nd Amendment? I miss those days....
     
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    The Virginia “assault firearm” ban is still moving forward. It is House Bill 961. The definition of assault firearm is unchanged. But the bill was amended in these respects….

    The bill as currently worded will allow Virginians to keep any “assault firearm” they own prior to the law’s effective date of July 1, 2020 (if passed). The bill also does not require registration of these grandfathered “assault firearms.” The bill makes it a felony punishable by up to 5 years in prison for selling or transferring that firearm to anyone else (with very limited exceptions—like inheritance).

    The bill also bans “large-capacity firearm magazines”—which it defines as any magazine having a capacity of greater than 12 rounds. This ban applies to any weapon—whether rifle pistol or shotgun—and any caliber—including rimfire ammunition. The only exception is for a tube magazine for a .22 that is permanently attached to the firearm. Simply possessing an offending magazine will become a misdemeanor punishable by up to 12 months in jail and a fine of up to $2,500. Purchasing, importing, or “transporting” a “large-capacity firearm magazine” becomes a felony punishable by up to 5 years in prison. In other words, any “large-capacity firearm magazine” you keep is a separate misdemeanor. If you leave your house with it and go anywhere with it you will be “transporting” it and you could be found guilty of the felony.

    The bill also bans “silencers” and “trigger activators.” These devices must be surrendered or destroyed by January 1, 2021. Any offending magazine must be permanently altered to 12 or less rounds, destroyed, or surrendered by 1/1/2021.

    This all assumes the bill passes. This past Monday the Virginia House passed the bill by a party-line vote. It now heads to the Virginia Senate where, if passed by the majority party, it will go to the Governor who has already promised to sign it.
     
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    So what does this mean for a person like myself residing in NC, but has to pass through VA to get to my property in WV? I routinely make this drive and routinely have all of the above in my vehicle while traveling there.
     
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    A felony conviction if discovered while traveling through the state of Virginia.
     
  22. BryanVa

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    The bill reads this way for an “assault firearm”:

    It is unlawful for any person to import, sell, transfer, manufacture, or purchase an assault firearm,

    A violation is a class 6 felony (up to 5 years). Since it does not use the word “possess”, you can have an “assault firearm” (but you can't buy or sell them in Va after July 1, 2020--if the bill passed). Since it does not use the word ‘transport,” you can also carry it around with you.

    The word I would watch out for in your situation is “import.” The code does not define the word at all. I believe the intention behind the word is to prohibit bringing it into the state to stay. But when the word is not better defined “import” could be construed as bringing into the state period—even if it is just driving through the state. My guess is the lack of a ban on “transport” would save you, since clearly the activity you would be engaged in is “transporting through.”

    The “high capacity magazine” ban reads differently, however. It has two sections:

    It is unlawful for any person to import, sell, transfer, manufacture, purchase, or transport any large-capacity firearms magazine. A violation of this subsection is punishable as a Class 6 felony.

    Here it makes it a felony to “transport” one of these magazines, which would clearly apply to your situation and subject you to a felony conviction.

    The second part of that ban reads this way:

    It is unlawful for any person to possess any large-capacity firearm magazine. A violation of this subsection is punishable as a Class 1 misdemeanor.

    This makes it a misdemeanor punishable by up to 12 months in jail and a fine of up to $2,500 for having the magazine—regardless of what you are doing. This would also cover you driving through the state. So if you are driving through and had one of these, then the government would have the option of prosecuting you for either the felony or the misdemeanor offense.

    A high capacity magazine is any magazine--for any caliber--for any type of firearm--that can accept more than 12 rounds. The only exception is a fixed tube on a .22.

    The “silencer” ban reads this way:

    It is unlawful for any person to import, sell, transfer, manufacture, or purchase a silencer, provided that a person may transfer a silencer in accordance with the provisions of the National Firearms Act (26 U.S.C. § 5801 et seq.). A violation of this section is punishable as a Class 6 felony.

    So there is no ban on transporting or possessing (but the word import still exists…). And note the bill makes an exception for those who comply with the NFA process. This they had to do because the Supremacy Clause says they can’t pass a law that contradicts an act of Congress.

    The “trigger activator” ban reads this way (it includes bump stocks):

    It is unlawful for any person to import, sell, transfer, manufacture, purchase, possess, or transport any trigger activator. A violation of this section is punishable as a Class 6 felony.

    So having this at all becomes a felony.

    I note the bill currently reads to allow you (and me if I want to) to have these items that we already possessed prior to July 1, 2020 until January 1, 2021. This means the ban on acquiring new ones (within the state of Virginia) starts on 7/1/20, and the ban on possessing any of them (for those things banned entirely like magazines with more than a 12 round capacity) becomes enforceable on 1/1/21.

    There is no stated exception for persons from out of state who are traveling through Virginia to another state.
     
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    After it becomes law (as it probably will) just call the Virginia state police. They can usually answer any questions you may have. You may not like the answers you get, but at least you'll know one way or the other.
     
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    I don't trust the police to know and understand the law. I'd prefer something in writing from the attorney generals office.
     
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    Thank you for that summary. Reading this, I should be fine to transport my firearms, and 2 silencers, just not the magazines to use them. Would you think mailing the empty magazines to my destination would work? They would still have to be transported via common carrier (UPS, FedEx, USPS etc) through the state of VA
     
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