Voter fraud is a myth

The OP is nothing more than a partisan gish gallop ignoring MASSIVE & pervasive Democrat voter fraud.

It convinces no one but those unwilling to do their homework and educate themselves about the issue of widespread Democrat criminality.

 

The Democrats committed MASSIVE voter fraud - disenfranchising HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS - in just two boroughs of New York City in 2016.

That's a FACT.

A FACT you are simply unwilling to accept or address in any way.

Democrat voter fraud: MASSIVE and pervasive

 

Unsubstantiated vacuous claim. If it were true, you would have sourced it.

Your comment is dismissed.

 

Thread title literally means it never happens. Going for the LOL I guess?

 

Uhmm, I just googled his exact claim, lo and behold, very first result....
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NYC purged 200,000 voters in 2016. It wasn't a mistake. | CSNY
www.cityandstateny.com › politics › campaigns-elections
Nov 6, 2018 - The announcement had come just seven days after President Donald Trump's inauguration. ... Much of the media ignored New York's proven case of election fraud, ... New York offered the country's second-highest total of Democratic ... for allegedly disenfranchising hundreds of thousands of voters.

 

Vacuous refusal to address the fact of MASSIVE/pervasive Democrat voter fraud.

If it weren't true, I wouldn't have stated it.

Educate yourself via Google's 3 MILLION articles, or continue to spread meaningless partisan propaganda - your choice.

In the meantime, your nonsensical gish gallop is dismissed.

Again, however, the entire system is so massively rigged that mere voter fraud is ultimately meaningless.

The People have never had a voice in their governance.

 

And that's just PART of ONE Democrat city in ONE election cycle.

Democrat voter fraud is MASSIVE and pervasive.

Isn't it amazing how quickly one can verify reality when one is of a mind to do so?

 

Let's backtrack, you are getting confused. we are discussing two things, and they are related, but they are distinctly different.

Voter fraud is one thing, Purges are another.

My argument is against voter ID, and purges have NOTHING to do with voter ID.

Voter fraud is where someone is an illegal alien and vote, votes more than once, or votes using someone else's name.

All states purge their rolls, they need to be cleaned up from names of people that have either passed away, or moved of state, or have become inactive for other reasons.

Evidence of a purge, per se, is NOT evidence of corruption, as all states purge ( clean ) their voter registration rolls.

I will accept the premise that the NY purge was questionable, as it purged some active voters, and it was Clinton V Sanders, and we already knew she was engaged in voter shenagigans. HIllary will highly criticized by the progressive left for sabatoging Sanders, and for some damn reason, Sanders didn't do anything about it. Which pissed democrats off.



The NY purge was a Clinton op against Sanders. We already knew she did this. But, as you will see, this doesn't conflict
with the premise of my original post on this:

I already explained in a previous post that Dems know all about the shenanigans by Hillary what she did to Sanders.
All your link does is expose some op Hillary did on Sanders in the primary, What I"m talking abut is what Republicans do to Democrats

Here is one post I would like to reiterate:

As fore voter purges, ALL states purge their rolls. What is illegal is it is done corruptly. I'll give you the NY purge, but I already knew that and factored it in regarding my original premise, that republicans are engaging, not just purges, but VOTER SUPPRESSION ON A MASSIVE SCALE

What Hillary did in the Primary Clinton v Sanders, PALES compared to what republicans did in the GENERAL, Clinton vs Trump.

You think '200,000' purged is 'massive'. Well, that doesn't represent what dems do in the general, it's just what Clinton did to Sanders, and what do republicans care about that?

What I'm talking about here is the massive deception voter suppression techniques done by the right, and whatever you think you got on the left, we got
one hundred times as much on the right.

 

Sherikia Hawkins, 38, is accused of using her position as city clerk for the Detroit suburb of Southfield, Michigan, to alter as many as 193 absentee ballots, according to an affidavit highlighted by National Review’s Jack Crowe.

Hawkins, a registered Democrat, was arraigned Monday and charged with forgery of a public record and falsifying returns or records. She has been charged also with several counts of using a computer to commit a crime. Hawkins has been placed on paid administrative leave from her six-figure salary position pending the results of her trial.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wa...rges-for-alleged-voter-fraud-scheme?_amp=true

 

You said what he claimed was "Unsubstantiated vacuous claim. If it were true, you would have sourced it.

Your comment is dismissed."

It was easily proven true. according to you, it's all a "myth" anyways. So yes, let's backtrack, indeed.

 

1. Dead people voting in Colorado.
A CBS affiliate’s evidence of voter fraud in Colorado in September sparked an immediate investigation by Secretary of State Wayne Williams. A report in Denver exposed multiple incidents in recent years where dead Coloradans were still voting. A dead World War II veteran named John Grosso voted in a 2006 primary election, and a woman named Sara Sosa who died in 2009 cast ballots in 2010, 2011, 2012 and 2013. Mrs. Sosa’s husband Miguel died in 2008, but a vote was cast in his name one year later.


2. Illegals found voting in Virginia; only discovered after they self-reported.

A study by the watchdog Public Interest Legal Foundation found in just eight Virginia counties, 1,046 alien non-citizens successfully registered to vote. These aliens were only accidentally caught because when they renewed their driver’s license and self-reported, telling authorities they were a non-citizen. This study doesn’t even include the metropolises of Fairfax County and Arlington. Moreover, the FBI opened an investigation in the state after 20 dead people turned in applications to vote.
3. Some Pennsylvania citizens voting twice.

Last year, Pennsylvania’s secretary of state admitted data showed more than 700 Pennsylvania voters might have cast two ballots in recent elections, yet said she’s powerless to investigate or prosecute double voters.

Nearly 43,000 voters in Pennsylvania had potentially duplicate registrations in either Pennsylvania or other states, data researcher Voter Registration Data Crosscheck found.


4. Illegal voters uncovered in Philadelphia; half had previously voted.
At least 86 non-citizens have been registered voters in Philadelphia since 2013, and almost half of them have cast a ballot in a recent election, watchdog Public Interest Legal Foundation noted this month. The number was only turned up after officials received specific requests from the voters themselves to remove their names from the rolls.

“This is just the tip of the iceberg,” Joseph Vanderhulst, the watchdog’s attorney, toldLifeZette on Oct. 5. “Who knows how many are on and don’t ask to be taken off?”
5. Voter rigging triggers probe in Texas.

This week, allegations of voter fraud in Tarrant County, Texas, prompted a state investigation. The suit focuses on mail-in ballots, which allows for people to vote from their homes without any ID or verification of identity. There’s concern of so-called “vote-harvesting” were political operatives fill out and return other people’s ballots, without their consent.

6. Indiana voter fraud investigation grows to 56 counties.
According to a local NBC report, Indiana State Police are in the midst of a statewide investigation into possible voter registration fraud.

“Police believe there could be hundreds of fraudulent voter registration records with different combinations of made up names and addresses with people’s real information,” NBC 12 reported.

7. Three under investigation in Oklahoma for voting twice in the presidential primary.
An investigation is underway into three Comanche County, Oklahoma, residents who voted twice in last week’s Presidential Preferential Primary, according to the local ABC 7 News station, KSWO.

“All three submitted absentee ballots before showing up to their polling place on March 1 and voted again in person,” the report said. “The Comanche County Sheriff’s Department is investigating the case and will interview all three of them before handing the case over to the district attorney.”

8. Election fraud in Kentucky.

A Franklin County grand jury has indicted a Pike County man in June on multiple felony counts of election fraud in connection with last month’s statewide primary.

Keith Justice, 50, has been charged with four counts of intimidating an election officer and one count of interfering with an election officer in Pike County.
9. Underage voters found voting in Wisconsin’s presidential primary.

Brown County election officials in April found six cases where underage voters cast a ballot in the state’s presidential primary. County Clerk Sandy Juno told a local reporter that six 17-year-old students registered and voted. Despite five of the students presenting a valid ID, poll workers never looked at the date of birth on them or on the registration forms they filled out, Ms. Juno told local news website wearegreenbay.com. In one case, the student used a report card as identification.
September, the secretary of state’s office in Pennsylvania mailed about 2.5 million voter registration postcards to people who are not registered voters, but are licensed drivers. Secretary of State Pedro Cortes admitted to the House of Representatives that seven people had reported that they received voter registration cards in error, self-reporting.
10. Voter registration cards sent to illegals in Pennsylvania.

State Rep. Daryl Metcalfe, a Butler County Republican who chairs the State Government Committee, said in September testimony that there’s several problem’s with the state’s voter registration system.
https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/...um=cpc&utm_id=newsroom&utm_campaign=TWT+-+DSA

Yep, voter fraud is mythical, like the unicorn or something.

 

Democrats: Practicing horrendous voter fraud on a MASSIVE scale

Gerrymandering, mass voter pogroms, election rigging, mass ballot forging...

When this is pointed out, they say:

"Oh THAT - THAT isn't fraud."

YJCMTSU

 

Incredible, ain't it?

Denial ain't just a rivet in the Empire State Building...

 

Election fraud on the MASSIVE scale Democrats practice it isn't election fraud!

NONE of it!!!!

 

Says the guy who loves GOP voter suppression.

 

Please link to proof of this "MASSIVE & pervasive Democrat voter fraud." I've searched and haven't found anything but tin foil hat conspiracy theories.

 

Your reply ommitted context.

Read the entire text, please
http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/voter-fraud-is-a-myth.573072/page-4#post-1071731253

I used 'myth' metaphorically, not literally, meaning there is no proof of voter fraud in any significant scale.

If you read my reply, the context disproves your premise.

And, you didn't prove 'fraud', let alone on a 'massive scale' you reveal a questionable purge in a local region.

All you did was reveal the shenanigans of Clinton V Sanders in a primary,, which I explained we already knew about.

Hillary engaged in political hardball which dems already know was unfair, unethical ( since when do campaigns NOT play hardball? ) , but it purging, per se, does not constitute fraud per Us Code. All states purge their rolls. If it is done corruptly it is illegal, but Clinton was not criminally pursued in that matter. In fact, I think she had nothing to do with it, it was a state dem chapter that did it on her behalf. If there is coordination, you'll have to prove it, which you did not do.

But, I'll assume she at the minimum, gave such tactics her blessing. Dems are full aware of Clinton's unfair tactics in the primary against Sanders. But that is blue vs blue, and my argument is Red vs Blue. Why do you even care what dems do to each other in the primaries?

Repubs purged 1,100,000 millions from voter registration rolls in 2016 GENERAL, in 2018, over 300,000 were purged by Kemp in the Kemp vs Abrams race, where Kemp was running for governor, while holding Secy Of State position, which he used to purge the rolls so HE could get elected. NOTHING you are offering as "proof" comes anywhere near that level of corruption.

My counter argument , with proof offered, is that Repubs do this, and far more, in a scale ten fold greater than anything you can find on dems, and your 'purge' was blue versus blue, not blue versus red ( so why do you even care? )

Next time, read the counter argument in toto, before you stick your foot in your mouth.

 

there of course is no pervasive democrat voter fraud.

 

@Patricio Da Silva

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You keep using that word, massive, shouting it in all caps. You have yet to provide any truth of your claim, leading me to believe that you have no knowledge and are just repeating right wing gibberish.

 

Amazing thread.
but it fails
Lets see what you did. In the title you say "Voter fraud is a MYTH"
In the SECOND line of your thread you admit there is voter fraud "1. Voter fraud does not occur in large enough numbers to affect presidential elections, and, as such, Voter ID laws are a fix in search of a problem"

Epic fail!

 

• In one of the most high profile cases, the North Carolina Board of Elections decertified the outcome of the 2018 race in the 9th Congressional District and ordered a new election after evidence of absentee ballot fraud emerged. About 61% of all mailed votes were cast for Republican candidate Mark Harris over Democrat Dan McReady, although only 16% of those requesting a ballot were Republicans. In the new election, Republican Dan Bishop stepped in as the party nominee and won.

• In 2018, Dennis Jones beat Tracy Gray by one vote in a Republican primary in Texas for a seat on the Kaufman County Commissioners Court. Gray challenged the outcome, alleging a vote harvester submitted illegal mail-in ballots, while eligible provisional ballots went uncounted. After a hearing, a state judge invalidated the results and ordered a new election, which Gray won by 404 votes.

• In another 2018 Texas case, Armando O’Cana seemingly won a run-off race for mayor in Mission, Texas, beating incumbent Norberto “Beto” Salinas. But after strong evidence emerged that O’Cana’s campaign had bribed voters, tampered with absentee ballots, and improperly “assisted” voters at the polls, state Judge J. Bonner Dorsey invalidated the result, saying: “I hold or find, by clear and convincing evidence, that the number of illegal votes was in excess of 158.”

• In 2017, Eatonville, Florida Mayor Anthony Grant was convicted of a felony charge of voting fraud and misdemeanor absentee voting violations. Prosecutors said that as a candidate in 2015, Grant coerced absentee voters to cast ballots for him. In at least one case, prosecutors said, Grant personally solicited an absentee vote from a nonresident. Grant, a former mayor, lost the in-person vote but won the election with more than twice the number of absentee ballots that incumbent Bruce Mount got. After Grant’s indictment, then-Gov. Rick Scott suspended the mayor. After his conviction, he was sentenced to 400 hours of community service and four years’ probation.

This case was more than a decade after the Florida Department of Law Enforcement concluded: “The absentee ballot is the ‘tool of choice’ for those who are engaging in election fraud.”

This 1998 report came after the department concluded an investigation of Miami’s mayoral election the year before. A judge had thrown out the result after prosecutors brought a massive fraud case that involved more than 5,000 absentee ballots.

• In 2017, an Alabama state judge reversed the result of a race for Wetumpka City Council in which incumbent Percy Gill appeared to have won by three votes. Gill’s opponent, Lewis Washington, contested the outcome. A trial showed eight absentee ballots cast for Gill either had a forged signature or weren’t notarized or signed in front of the requisite number of witnesses.

• In the 2016 race for mayor of Gordon, Alabama, Elbert Melton won by just 16 votes. Melton later was convicted on two counts of absentee ballot fraud and removed from office. He was sentenced to a year in prison and two years’ probation.

• In 2016, Missouri state Rep. Penny Hubbard won the 2016 Democratic primary in the state’s 78th House District by just 90 votes. Her opponent, Bruce Franks Jr., contested the outcome over a lopsided absentee vote tally. Judge Rex Burlison ruled that enough improper absentee ballots were cast to change the results and ordered a new election. Franks won by 1,533 votes.

• In 2016 in Texas, former Weslaco city commissioner Guadalupe Rivera pleaded guilty to one count of providing illegal “assistance” to a voter in a 2013 race he won by 16 votes. Rivera admitted filling out an absentee ballot “in a way other than the way the voter directed or without direction from the voter.” A judge determined that 30 ballots were cast illegally and ordered a new election, which Rivera lost. He initially faced 16 related charges, but 15 were dropped as part of a plea deal. He was sentenced to a year of probation and ordered to pay a $500 fine.

• In 2015, Fernando Gonzalez clinched a win by 10 votes over Sergio Dias for a seat on the city council of Perth Amboy, New Jersey. After a determination that at least 13 absentee ballots were cast illegally, a state Superior Court overturned the results and ordered a new election. The second time, Gonzalez won by nine votes.

• New York State Assembly candidate Hector Ramirez pleaded guilty to one count of criminal possession of a forged instrument during his 2014 campaign. Prosecutors charged Ramirez with deceiving voters into giving their absentee ballots to his campaign on the false premise that it would submit them. Instead, Ramirez’s campaign inserted his name on at least 35 absentee ballots, prosecutors said. Ramirez initially won, but a recount determined that he lost by two votes. Bronx Supreme Court Justice Steven Barrett ruled that Ramirez could not run for office again for three years.

• In 2014 in Pennsylvania, Richard Allen Toney, the former police chief of Harmar Township, pleaded guilty to illegally soliciting absentee ballots to benefit his wife and her running mate in the 2009 Democratic primary for town council. Prosecutors said Toney applied for the ballots, then had them filled out illegally by individuals who were not expected to be absent on Election Day. The absentee ballot count flipped the primary results, securing a victory for his wife’s running mate. During a subsequent FBI investigation, prosecutors said, Toney attempted to prevent two grand jury witnesses and others from testifying. He was sentenced to three years’ probation.

• After a 2012 federal investigation of a voter fraud conspiracy in West Virginia, Lincoln County Sheriff Jerry Bowman and County Clerk Donald Whitten pleaded guilty to stuffing ballot boxes and falsifying absentee ballots to try to steal a Democratic primary election in 2010. Lincoln County Commissioner Thomas Ramey pleaded guilty to lying to investigators. Bowman and Ramey were involved in helping Whitten get re-elected. He won the primary but a judge overturned the election, tossing out 300 fraudulent ballots.

• One of the more complex cases arose in a rural jurisdiction when the Justice Department brought a civil suit against Noxubee County, Mississippi over a massive absentee voter fraud operation run by the local Democratic Party machine. Prosecutors said notaries paid by the machine took ballots from mail boxes and voted the ballots in place of the intended voters.

On June 29, 2007, U.S. District Judge Tom S. Lee issued an opinion finding that county Democratic Party Chairman Ike Brown worked with the county’s Democratic Executive Committee to manipulate the process. Lee determinedthat Brown violated Section Two of the Voting Rights Act through racially motivated manipulation of ballots, obtained and improperly counted defective absentee ballots, and allowed improper “assistance” of voters to ensure that his favored candidates won.

The 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals affirmed the judgment. The Justice Department entered into a consent decree with Noxubee County’s superintendent of general elections, administrator of absentee ballots, registrar, and county government to prohibit discriminatory and illegal voting practices and require officials to report such incidents.

“Dozens of contests were overturned there by the state courts,” said Adams, who was involved in the case as a Justice Department civil rights lawyer at the time.

• In 2004, the Alabama Supreme Court overturned the results of a mayor’s race in Guntersville after finding that absentee ballots were cast without proper identification and should have been discarded.

• In the 2003 mayor’s race in East Chicago, Indiana, challenger George Pabey defeated eight-term incumbent Robert Patrick on Election Day, but lost by 278 votes after about 2,000 absentee ballots poured in.

Evidence of voter intimidation and vote buying emerged and the Indiana Supreme Court ordered a new election. Pabey won with 65% of the vote, as detailed in the 2008 book “Stealing Elections” by journalist John Fund. The fraud led to at least seven convictions or guilty pleas in 2008, according to the Heritage database.


Pennsylvania Officials Admit Duplicate Ballots Were Mailed Out to Voters

Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, officials have admitted that duplicate ballots were mailed out to registered voters, though they are not sure how many.
Last week, Allegheny County, Pennsylvania’s top election official admitted that duplicate ballots had been sent to registered voters but said he did not know how many were sent, according to the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette: In a conference call with reporters, Dave Voye, who manages the division that’s had to process a massive influx of vote-by-mail applications and ballots as voters look for an alternative to in-person voting amid COVID-19, said the department started to notice there was a problem with duplicate ballots at the end of April. [Emphasis added]
In a conference call with reporters, Dave Voye, who manages the division that’s had to process a massive influx of vote-by-mail applications and ballots as voters look for an alternative to in-person voting amid COVID-19, said the department started to notice there was a problem with
Pennsylvania Officials Admit Duplicate Ballots Were Mailed Out to Voters

Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, officials have admitted that duplicate ballots were mailed out to registered voters, though they are not sure how many.
Last week, Allegheny County, Pennsylvania’s top election official admitted that duplicate ballots had been sent to registered voters but said he did not know how many were sent, according to the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette: In a conference call with reporters, Dave Voye, who manages the division that’s had to process a massive influx of vote-by-mail applications and ballots as voters look for an alternative to in-person voting amid COVID-19, said the department started to notice there was a problem with duplicate ballots at the end of April. [Emphasis added]
In a conference call with reporters, Dave Voye, who manages the division that’s had to process a massive influx of vote-by-mail applications and ballots as voters look for an alternative to in-person voting amid COVID-19, said the department started to notice there was a problem with duplicate ballots at the end of April. [Emphasis added]
Several voters told the Post-Gazette this month that they had applied for a mail-in or absentee ballot and received more than one in the mail. The county released a statement on the issue Thursday, and said it was the result of a bug in the state’s voter registration system. [Emphasis added]
Still, Allegheny County officials have said the problem has been resolved and that duplicate ballots marked as such will not be counted in the state’s primary election on June 2.
The duplicate mail-in ballot issues come as Allegheny County officials have reached a settlement with the Public Interest Legal Foundation (PILF) to clean up its voter rolls, which reportedly include 1,600 dead people, close t0 7,500 voter registrations flagged as duplicates, 1,523 registered voters who claim to be 100-years-old and over, and 1,178 registered voters who are missing dates of birth.
Still ongoing is Judicial Watch’s lawsuit against the state of Pennsylvania for reportedly having more than 800,000 inactive voters on its voter rolls. duplicate ballots at the end of April. [Emphasis added]
Several voters told the Post-Gazette this month that they had applied for a mail-in or absentee ballot and received more than one in the mail. The county released a statement on the issue Thursday, and said it was the result of a bug in the state’s voter registration system. [Emphasis added]
Still, Allegheny County officials have said the problem has been resolved and that duplicate ballots marked as such will not be counted in the state’s primary election on June 2.
The duplicate mail-in ballot issues come as Allegheny County officials have reached a settlement with the Public Interest Legal Foundation (PILF) to clean up its voter rolls, which reportedly include 1,600 dead people, close t0 7,500 voter registrations flagged as duplicates, 1,523 registered voters who claim to be 100-years-old and over, and 1,178 registered voters who are missing dates of birth.
Still ongoing is Judicial Watch’s lawsuit against the state of Pennsylvania for reportedly having more than 800,000 inactive voters on its voter rolls.

Yup, nothing to see here folks, just move along. The Democrats for three plus years conspired to unseat the president relying on the most ridiculous tactics including making a mockery of the impeachment process. They proceeded with each attempt in the most obvious and buffoonish ways that blatantly smacked of their contempt of the American citizenry thinking that we were stupid enough to fall for their clownish antics. They're still giving us the finger with the idea that mail in voting is perfectly legitimate and fraud proof. This desperate attempt by the left to steal the election must not be allowed to happen. The polls will be open in November and only legitimate and severely vetted absentee ballots should be allowed. We can stop this bullshit.

 

The argument is NOT that discrepancies, ad hoc shenanigans crop up here and there, the argument is that...Out billions of votes cast, although you will find discrepancies and anomalies, here and there, and they should be dealt with, but nothing rises to the level of 'affecting the outcome of a national election sufficent to require Voter ID, which in fact, disenfranchises hundreds of thousands of voters which in, essences, tells us that the outcome of the fix is worse than what the fix was designed to do. Republicans purged over one million names from the voter registration rolls in 2016 and far fewer incidences of fraud turned up which ID was supposed to prevent. In the Georgia Race between Kemp and Abrams, while Kemp was Secy Of State, presiding over elections, he purged over 300,000 names to help HIMSELF WIN the governership, using a method called 'caging' which is biased against minorities.

 

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/voter-fraud-midterm-elections/

 

We need a national ID that automatically checks for residency and status so that these purges become unnecessary. Republicans do the same thing and it is usually targeted also.
Also partisan gerrymandering should be made illegal... now I'm ranting

We need to redo our election system.