Voter ID Rules Fail Court Tests Across Country

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  1. LibertyRansom

    LibertyRansom New Member

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    Voter ID FAIL

    Again, voter ID only affects impersonation fraud, and no other. The part that's sending up the red flags is there are only 10 confirmed cases of voter impersonation since 2000, which begs the question, why spend so much time and money in legislation to stop something that isn't happening?

    And then there's this hack, when asked to prove anything that he says, he crawls back into the protective bubble of the HF only to poke his head out later and fire of his mouth again.
     
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    You are absolutely right. Here is a good article from US News and World Report, not exactly a left wing mouthpiece.

    The 'Myth' of Voter Fraud

    The fight against 'voter fraud' is really about vote suppression says Tova Wang

    By KIRA ZALAN
    April 24, 2012 RSS Feed Print
    A democracy hinges on fair elections, which is why voter fraud could pose a serious threat to the American political system. But election law expert Tova Wang says instances of polling place fraud are extremely rare. Wang, a fellow at progressive think tanks Demos and the Century Foundation, is the author of a forthcoming book called The Politics of Voter Suppression: Defending and Expanding Americans' Right to Vote. She recently spoke with U.S. News about election fraud and why she thinks voter ID laws are discriminatory. Excerpts:

    Is there a problem of voter fraud?

    If you're asking whether there's fraud in the electoral system, yes, there is some, not a lot. If you're asking me if there is fraud at the polling place, then I would say no, we do not have a serious problem with fraud in this country.

    [Robert Schlesinger: The Real Voter Fraud Scandal]

    What about widely publicized stories of registration fraud?

    Those cases are always very easily caught, very frequently by the very organization that's overseeing the work. And there's absolutely zero evidence that anyone who has put any false information on a voter registration form has actually voted using that information. Problems with voter registration [are] different than fraud at the polls that ends up impacting the election.

    Are there reliable statistics on voter fraud?

    What we can go by is the number of times that people have been prosecuted successfully for such crimes. And the number is ridiculously low. You have a better chance of being hit by lightning than discovering an incident of polling place fraud.

    [Read more Q&As in U.S. News Weekly, now available on iPad.]

    Then why is there a public perception that there's a problem?

    I think there are a lot of political leaders who have perpetuated this myth for partisan purposes, and when you look at it superficially it's a believable argument. But they tend to conflate the different types of fraud that could occur in the election system and sort of mix together voter registration fraud, and voter absentee fraud, and other types of issues, and stir it all up in a pot, and come up with voter identification requirements that would do nothing to address the relatively minor problems that we have in the system.

    What's going on with voter ID requirements?

    We have seen an incredible wave of legislation since the 2010 elections, when Republicans took over a number of state legislatures. A number of states have passed ID legislation in the past year and a half or so. And now I think you're starting to see a backlash, particularly in the courts, where judges are looking at the evidence and saying, this is discriminatory, this is voter suppression, and there's no need for it.

    [Susan Milligan: What James O'Keefe Gets Wrong About Voter Fraud]

    What's wrong with requiring photo identification from voters?

    There are many thousands of Americans who have the same rights as you and I who do not have the kind of identification that politicians want to require. Something between 10-11 percent of Americans.

    Who falls into this category?

    Disproportionately certain groups, particularly African-Americans, Latinos, young people, and people with disabilities—the types of groups that tend to vote, frankly, Democratic. Because there's not a big problem of fraud at the polls that this would address, the only conclusion that you could come to is that they're trying to purposefully keep out of the system people they don't want voting.

    How will this affect November's election?

    A number of the laws are in litigation right now through the Department of Justice and also private lawsuits. In the meantime, organizations across states where they have these new ID laws are working with individual voters, one on one, trying to mitigate the damaging impact these ID laws will inevitably have in November.
     
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    So, you are OK with having to prove that you have insurance or pay a fine, but you think its wrong to prove who you are before voting? How does one buy insurance without establishing who they are? How does one prove to the IRS that he has insurance without first proving who he is?

    No one is being disenfranchized by having to prove who they are before voting. This is a big fat *******ed red herring. YOu on the left are determined to find ways for illegals and dead people to vote, that, my friend is why you object to voter ID laws. Because voter ID laws would make it much harder for groups like Acorn to stuff the ballot boxes.
     
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    I can't make heads or tails of the first bit of jibberish you tried to say there so I'll skip it.

    You prove who you are before voting by registering. Voter ID doesn't stop anybody from stuffing a ballot box, which is done by election officials.
    You're ignoring the most important part, the one thing ID does stop, never happens. 10 times in 12 years, yeah that's a huge problem.

    To say that no one is being disenfranchised by having to show ID is naive at best, a lie at worst. And for what? To stop impersonation fraud from cropping up 10 times in 12 years? You believe that? You know it's something else. You just don't care.
     
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    We all know it was never about fraud. It was always about trying to make it more difficult for poor and minorities to vote. Some people only give lip service to promoting democracy.
     
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    Even being the flaming liberal I am am, I fail to see the issue in voter ID.

    So you present an ID before you vote.... annnnnnnnnd?
     
  7. Max Frost

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    I would support voter ID (although I don't really see a need for it) for future elections IF the govt made ID's free and relatively easy to get. I know where I live neither of those are true at present. In Jersey you have to pay $25 dollars for a non driver ID and the only place to get them is at the DMV which in many cases are hard to get to for non drivers. Make it free and maybe have some mobile trucks go out and I think then it would be fine.
     
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    Would it not be more accurate to say "Vote Fraud Wins Court Tests Across Country"? I would add "Democrats exuberant".
     
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    some people have difficulty getting an id
     
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    OK, you said you have to show an ID to register to vote, whats wrong with showing the same ID when you go to the polling place?

    Sorry if my analogy to mandatory health insurance was over your head.
     
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    horse(*)(*)(*)(*), pure unadulterated horse(*)(*)(*)(*).
     
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    what % of the population? How do those people with no ID get on the voter rolls?

    Or are you suggesting that a person need not prove who they are to register OR to vote?
     
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    even one is too many


    not according to turzai

    [video=youtube;EuOT1bRYdK8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuOT1bRYdK8[/video]
     
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    It is not failing across the country. There is a provision in Federal law that southern States have to pass Federal requirements and the administration is using that to stop some states from passing voter ID laws. They have been in effect for awhile in some states. It is not surprising that some states are having trouble passing the law depending on if they make it cost to get one or passing it too close to an election.
     
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    who is that moron????
     
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    who is that moron????
     
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    PA State Rep. Mike Turzai, Representing the 28th Legislative District in the Pennsylvania House of Representatives
     
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    then I am sure that you agree that even one fraudulent vote is too many, Acorn managed to get thousands of fraudulent votes into the system in 08,
     
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    Ok, a dem that is opposed to voter ID, but wants illegals and dead people voting------------Wow, what a surprise.
     
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    you don't know what you're talking about
     
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    REPUBLICAN House Majority Leader Mike Turzai of PA. Where even the republicans admitted in court offered documents there was no history of fraud. Turzai was wrong since the PA voter ID law has been blocked by the courts.
     
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    sorry, I don't follow Pa politics very closely. But even some republicans are liberals.

    As to history of fraud,, did you miss the Acorn investigations that proved voter fraud?
     
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    Really, did you also miss the Acorn investigations that proved voter fraud?
     
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    He is no liberal lol.
    How many people fraudulently voted due to acorn?
     
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    in the words of one of our liberal posters "even one is too many"

    But if you are really interested, look into the Al Franken election. In some precincts there were more votes than there were registered voters. the dems stole that election with fraudulent votes.
     

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