Voter ID

It makes perfect sense to require voters to present a photo ID before voting in order to prevent voter fraud. But opposition to voter ID is based on claims that many minority Americans don't have state issued photo IDs and would therefore be excluded from voting.

So it's not that voter ID laws are wrong or racist but that they're simply premature. Before we can pass voter ID laws we need to make it as easy as possible for every American citizen to obtain a photo ID.

 

Are you saying minorities are too stupid to get these state IDs? GA has legal voter ID laws, why not take their laws and distribute it to any state which thinks they would like to have a law like that? And would voter ID laws have stopped Russia from hacking our election?

 

Based upon the argument from the opposition yes. Here's the problem I have always had with this argument though.

1. Photo ID is needed for most government services
2. Everything that is needed for a photo ID is needed for Medicare enrollment.
3. Photo ID is needed for Medicaid enrollment
4. Photo ID needed to fly
5. Photo ID needed to rent most anything
6. Photo ID to use some credit/debit cards

You would have to work very hard to get through life today without an approved photo ID. Somehow these people that the opposition talks about though has not photo ID and it's a pain in the ass to get one. I've never bought that line and I still don't.

 

Voter ID has no impact on minority voter turn out, this has been debunked already.

https://www.vox.com/identities/2017/3/15/14909764/study-voter-id-racism

 

I would assume many of those that can't afford to get a photo idea also get medicaid or Obamacare subsidized medical insurance. When you enter a medical facility for help you first must show a government photo ID. How does this work, exactly? Did we cover those people with medical insurance but they still cant see a doctor?

 

I honestly can't believe this is even debatable really.

Require ID.

 

It's an easy question to answer. For decades going way back, Democrats have bussed in people in large groups to vote in various elections. Lots of those people use others' names that have moved or died to vote when they themselves aren't eligible for whatever reason, or to vote more than once. Those people aren't going to be arrested or convicted of fraud (especially in crooked union thug Democrat jurisdictions) because... they don't have their real ID on them or claim not to have one. No one is going to enforce voter fraud laws against such people, it's too hard to prove, there are no records of people claiming to be someone else at the polls, they will act as if it was just an honest mistake. The Democrats will howl that this is not the case, but it IS. Picture ID puts a giant kink in this good ole Democrat scam.

All the "disenfranchising" bullshit is just that, a smokescreen.

 

Prove it. You guys are trying to fix a problem that doesn't exist

 

This is simple. If IDs are racist, then all IDs MUST be outlawed and the Supreme Court should order all states to stop issuing IDs.

 

Isn't it convenient that it can't be "proven" unless voter ID is required?

As I said, they will howl that this is not the case, but it IS. Anyone old enough knows this fun fact about Democrat tactics just as sure as they know the union tactic of putting giant rats in front of businesses that don't cave to union demands. Go ahead and deny it some more, it's truly funny when you folks do.

http://thf-legal.s3.amazonaws.com/VoterFraudCases.pdf

Links to the court records are in the document.

 

Every voter should be required to give a finger print into a biometric machine and a snapshot of the voter saves before voting.

 

I will deny it. It is hilarious. You have a solution in search of a problem. LOL

 

Now that would be fine

 

http://thf-legal.s3.amazonaws.com/VoterFraudCases.pdf

Links to the news and court records are clickable in the document. As hard as voter fraud is to catch, that there are this many documented instances of it proves conclusively that it is a material problem. Voter ID doesn't solve all of it, but a significant amount of it.

 

usually we need a problem that requires such a solution.

since voter fraud is not a major or even significant problem in the USA, why inconvenience tens of millions of Americans.

proof of citizenship is required to register to vote.

you can count with one hand the number of individuals convicted of voting in the place of someone else.

this is a non-issue

 

Now for some truth

https://www.brennancenter.org/issues/voter-fraud

 

So you don't deny the facts of the hundreds of convictions in the pdf I linked, and instead google "voter fraud doesn't exist" and link something you haven't read and don't describe anything in it that supports your case. Typical. Once again, glad of the thread's written record.

 

You failed to read my reference with all the links in it. The evidence is overwhelming. Hilarious

 

A little more truth for you

The Fifth Circuit, in an opinion finding that Texas’s strict photo ID law is racially discriminatory, noted that there were “only two convictions for in-person voter impersonation fraud out of 20 million votes cast in the decade” before Texas passed its law.

• In its opinion striking down North Carolina’s omnibus restrictive election law —which included a voter ID requirement — as purposefully racially discriminatory, the Fourth Circuit noted that the state “failed to identify even a single individual who has ever been charged with committing in-person voter fraud in North Carolina.”

• A federal trial court in Wisconsin reviewing that state’s strict photo ID law found “that impersonation fraud — the type of fraud that voter ID is designed to prevent — is extremely rare” and “a truly isolated phenomenon that has not posed a significant threat to the integrity of Wisconsin’s elections.”

• Even the Supreme Court, in its opinion in Crawford upholding Indiana’s voter ID law, noted that the record in the case “contains no evidence of any [in-person voter impersonation] fraud actually occurring in Indiana at any time in its history.” Two of the jurists who weighed in on that case at the time — Republican-appointed former Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens and conservative appellate court Judge Richard Posner — have since announced they regret their votes in favor of the law, with Judge Posner noting that strict photo ID laws are “now widely regarded as a means of voter suppression rather than of fraud prevention.”

 

I posted a list of hundreds of convictions, you plopped down a link, some partisan Democrat bench decisions and nothing else. Yeah, we are all well aware there are partisan Democrat activist judges all over the country. You people never fail to disappoint. And no, until you post something that refutes the actual occurrence of the loooong list of convictions I posted, you haven't refuted anything.

 

Dude. Check the links on the reference. Lots of studies to keep you busy.

 

Why would I busy myself with a bunch of partisan "studies" when I have listed a plain long list of actual convictions with links to the sources? Now you can either refute those or crawl back under your bridge... dude.

 

What percent is 773 of 200 million? LOL

 

I vote absentee. No need for an ID.

 

Enough of a % to justify picture ID just like it takes to buy a six pack or pack of smokes.