Voter suppression

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  1. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    How do dead people go to the polls and vote? People in coma's. People who have moved away? And if the name is phony to begin with.

    Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
     
  2. dujac

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    they don't
     
  3. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    So then you're claim that's how you catch was fallacious .....gotcha.
     
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    dujac Well-Known Member

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    nothing i wrote is fallacious
     
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    Dead people don't vote, occasionally poll workers check off the wrong name, when it gets investigated, it's shown that no dead people voted.
    In this case, absence of evidence is most assuredly evidence of absence, because the alternative explanation, that the GOP is doing this to suppress minority voting, has been confirmed, by GOP officials....

    So when there are two explanations, with no evidence supporting one, and actual evidence supporting the other , which one do you go with?
     
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    The First Amendment to the Constitution does not say that everybody has freedom of speech and of religion. It states simply and plainly that it, "prohibits Congress from making laws infringing on religious freedom and our freedom of speech". The same Constitution does not give everyone the right to vote. The Fourteenth Amendment brings this issue up for the first time when it states that when the, "right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice-President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime."
    Felons have, by definition, violated the laws of society. In Johnson v. Bush (00-3542-CIV, 2002) several ex-felons unsuccessfully sued the State of Florida in the United States District Court by claiming that their rights as citizens should be reinstated after the full and completed terms of their incarceration and probation had been met. The plaintiffs alleged that the disenfranchisement law arbitrarily and irrationally denies them the right to vote because of race, discriminates against them on account of race, and imposes an improper poll tax and wealth qualification on voting in violation of the First, Fourteenth, Fifteenth, and Twenty-Fourth Amendments to the United States Constitution (Case No. 00-3542-CIV, 2002).
    The Florida Constitution of 1838 specifically mentioned that the General Assembly shall have the power to exclude all persons convicted of bribery, perjury, forgery or other high crimes. An 1868 Amendment made changes that included disenfranchisement provisions that state specifically, " nor shall any person convicted of a felony be qualified to vote at any election unless restored by the state, to civil rights. Spakovsky (2013) also observed that Florida's current system states, "that violent felons must wait seven years before their rights can be fully restored". This allows the Office of Executive Clemency an opportunity to review each felon's behavior as to realize the seriousness of their behavior and have made changes to their ways. Given that the percentage of felons that are re-arrested and re-incarcerated within short periods of time after their release which makes this waiting period seem perfectly reasonable.

    Perhaps you are looking to collect votes from persons still incarcerated. Although one or two states allow this I see no advantage whatsoever in allowing a lifer to vote. They gave that up in the decision to do their crime. Would you say that a convicted drunk driver serving a number of years behind bars as well as hefty fines and increased insurance upon release is being sentenced twice? I think not, especially if you had a loved one suffer from an impaired driver.

    Here is my solution . . .

    In Florida at the polls, you are asked to provide a valid picture identification with signature that matches the voter registration information that was previously provided. The following photo identifications can be used: Florida driver’s license, Florida identification card issued by the Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles, United States passport, debit or credit card, military identification, student identification, retirement center identification, neighborhood association identification or public assistance identification. If you can not produce ANY of these documents that a responsible citizen should have, you have NO business voting.
     
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    the constitution created voting rights for citizens and the voting rights act explicitly defines those rights
     
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    As I stated, the Constitution does NOT give everyone the right to vote. The Constitution never explicitly ensures the right to vote. THAT is left to the States.
     
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    as i stated, the constitution created voting rights for citizens

    the voting rights act explicitly defines citizens' right to vote, states have to comply
     
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    Okay smart guy, why do states all have differing regulations concerning felon voting "rights"? The Constitution does not define a citizens right to vote. States create all voting regs. I do not know what is so hard to for some to comprehend this.
     
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    you mean Liberal logic, correct? or would have been PC to say, "right?"

    hahahahahahah
     
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    and, of course, you're not politically biased............. hahahahahaha to funnnnnay.........
    hope you are having a marvelous Independence Day celebration courtesy of the Founding Fathers and every service man that laid down his live so you could run down your fellow Americans...have a nice day........
     
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    sure sure, that's what all the Democrats say...funny when it comes to verifying votes and recounts, then don't want to.......................
     
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    my bias is against republican lies, obstructionism and racism
     
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    In your link the New York Department of Investigations tried to vote in the name of dead people, 61 times they succeeded, twice they were caught by poll workers.

    In the 2012 election, two people were caught trying to vote fraudulently (for Romney).
    So if the same percentages hold true, there were 61 fraudulent votes in an election decided by a mere 6 million votes.
    That's not really an issue, and that's the evidence you present.....

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    Actually it's Republicans who went to court to stop recounts in 2000...
     
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    something I would expect an Obama idolizer to say.......................
     
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    really???? gosh, and I suppose the dumbocrats never broke one rule........
    lerner, VA, Border surges...............all republicans fault...your reasoning is because they tried to stop all of these things (which are criminal in nature) you're accusing them of being criminal......
    What do I have that you don'? Do you even know what you want?
    every politician lies, cheats and steals, so don't start with party line rhetoric..but you personally, what do I have that you don't?
     
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    your statements aren't very bright
     
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    Something a person who understands numbers would say.........for the sheep bleating what they are told to think, you do just fine
     
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    but not hard to understand............................you're implying that democrats never ever break the law, and we both know that's not true.........

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    taken right out of the Liberal Handbook of How to get Free Stuff.................
    so, answer the question, what is it you want that you don't have?
     
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    as I figured from the beginning................low information voters never have a clue......that would be the blind socialist voters...hell, you don't even know what you want.....
     
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    What a remarkably sheeplike answer...
     
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    so what is it you want that you don't already have? Lib Progressives are always wanting more........
     
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    and yet here you are unquestioningly and blindly following a black muslim communist lying thief.............what could go wrong with that.
    What are you going to do once he leaves office? Move in with him?
     
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