WA state conservatives embracing Sanctuary Cities

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  1. modernpaladin

    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    "In Washington state, a freshly implemented ballot initiative and a raft of new bills may produce some of the tightest firearms regulations in the US. But standing in the way is a group of rural law enforcement officers who say point blank that they won’t enforce any of it."
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    "I-1639 passed on a roughly 60-40 split; in the big, blue counties west of the Cascade Mountains, such as King county, where Seattle is located, the margins were even bigger.

    However, 27 of Washington’s 39 counties rejected the ballot measure. Many of those counties are in the state’s more rural, sparsely populated districts.
    It is in these counties that many – including sworn officers – are promising to resist the laws.

    In Ferry county in eastern Washington, more than 72% of voters rejected I-1639. In the county’s only incorporated city, Republic, the police chief Loren Culp asked the council in November to declare the city a “second amendment sanctuary”. That vote has been delayed until March, but in the meantime, like Songer, Culp says he will not enforce."
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    "The “sanctuary” idea has caught on with other rightwing activists. Matt Marshall is the leader of the Washington Three Percent, a patriot movement group which has held several open carry rallies in downtown Seattle in the last year.

    Marshall is attempting to persuade rural Washington counties to adopt local second amendment sanctuary ordinances. Next week, together with the Patriot Prayer founder and former Senate candidate Joey Gibson, he is addressing a meeting of Lewis and Pierce counties to try to persuade them to adopt resolutions which would mean that the gun laws were not enforced."

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jan/26/washington-state-gun-laws-law-enforcement-rural

    My questions:

    Is the notion of Second Amendment Sanctuary Cities any more or less relevent in the dynamic of local sovereignty and decentralized authority than Undocumented Immigrant Sanctuary Cities?

    Can you oppose one but not the other while still being intellectually consistent?

    Do you believe the State or even Federal government has the lawful authority to force a population to obey wildly unpopular laws, whether they reagard guns, immigrants or even marijuana?

    I look forward to your perspective.
     
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  2. modernpaladin

    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    *shameless attempt to jumpstart apparently unpopular thread*
     
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    What are they trying to ban???
     
  4. modernpaladin

    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Nothing, yet.

    I-1639 increases purchase age of rifles from 18 to 21, mandates 'safe storage' of firearms, and impliments some red-flag language.

    It had attempted to impose a $200/year/gun tax stamp on all semi-automatic rifles, but that was removed from the bill during process as it became apparent that this would cause it to be voted down or fail to be upheld in courts.

    What do you think about the OP questions? Do you support the idea of 'Santuary Cities' for gun rights and immigration rights?
     
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    Absolutely not. You cannot be for sanctuary cities for illegals and oppose sanctuary cities for gun owners.

    If you do. It means very bad things are true about you.
     
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    It's notable how every single call from the Left to raise the purchase age includes ALL guns, not just the "assault" ones they complain about.

    Not only should that be very revealing about the true mentality that's actually going on here, but it also shows that they're trying to gain the maximum amount of ground they can here from this proposed initiative.
     
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    Glad to see law enforcement leading in this. I know it's risky for them, but that sends a strong message
     
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    The new bill defines "semiautomatic assault rifle" to basically be any regular semiautomatic rifle that is not the old-style bolt-action rifle.

    The state's explanation for the bill misleadingly claims it does not require safe storage, yet the bill makes it a felony, if it was not kept in safe storage, if some other person steals it and uses it to commit a felony crime. Holding the owner responsible for the crime committed by someone else with his gun.

    It also requires state authorities to keep track of all sales and purchases of these "semiautomatic assault rifles", effectively making a virtual registry.
     
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    Washington State needs some second amendment sanctuaries before things get really bad and Eastern WA has to become part of Idaho.
     
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    It didn't, of course, provide funding for said registry. Probably because its already spending $10M/year on MBGCs which have, after 5-6 years, netted a single conviction.

    Given that these laws are passed almost solely by King County (Seattle)'s urban center, you'd think that money would be better spent on the homeless/opioid epidemic... but nope. $50M to instead tack on an additional charge to ONE already convicted murderer is how we roll... Theres progressive priorities in a nutshell- controlling folks > helping folks.

    :disbelief:
     
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    Theres three passes over the mountains between coastal WA and rural WA.

    If we do, nothing they can do to stop us.
     
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    Need to stop calling them sanctuary cities and call them constitutional cities.
     
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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    While I appreciate the logic, that would defeat the irony. 'Constitutional' is a terrorist word (unless its being used to impeach Trump, of course). Constitutionalists are dangerous antisocial militants who think they have rights outside the majority opinion, and threaten democracy.

    Sanctuaries are loving, tolerant places that protect minorities from persecution. ;)
     
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    The left opened this "sanctuary" can of worms when the liberal metropolis's decided they could protect illegals in defiance of set law. If they can choose to ignore federal immigration laws then these rural counties sure as hell have the right to say no to what the folks in the state capitol want to pass. Local sovereignty can be a real bitch.
     
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    *shrugs* if it is a federal authority, the federal government enforces it, not the states. States rights righties somehow cant fathom this concept.
     
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    Of course government has the authority to force compliance or punish non-compliance with legal, constitutional, laws. We are a republican (little r) nation and every state, as well, has a representative style of government. Unpopular laws are changed by changing the representatives, not by defiance of the law.
     

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