Waffen SS Vets March Openly In Latvia

Did lots of people go in but only lots of smoke came back out?

 

Assassinating the political infrastructure of an enemy military force =\= executing women and children based on their genetic heritage.

While I've no doubt mission creep turned Phoenix Program into senseless murder in some instances, the program istelf was not designed for it like the SS was.

Try again.

 

During high-holidays, birthdays, christenings, graduations, confirmations, bar mitzfahs, and marriages.

When it comes to the assassination of civilians..... genetic heritage = political convictions. I must also remind you that the U.S. was the bad guy, illegal invader and occupying force in Vietnam ..... NOT the one to be dictating what is worthy and what isn't in someone's else's nation.

If you are making a point what is it?

No need other than for you understanding that we are talking about veterans (misunderstood for the most part) finding understanding amongst men from the same experience. Making one more righteous than the other because of your own "hurrah for our side" is counterproductive to realizing the need for humans to find meaning for what they have lived through.

 

What about the illegal war of Ho Chi Min against the country of South Vietnam?

 

You have been spoon-fed Amerian fake propaganda. Show me where Ho Chi Min subjected his country to civil war. I have a feeling that you are about to learn much more than you bargained for.

 

He invaded the south, what part don't you understand?

 

Indeed. We can't say to condemn Nazism, while perpetuating what they did(the irony that a democracy would protect their rights though, should not be lost on the losers.) That said, I do feel as though the common soldier of then Nazi-Germany is not the same as a war criminal if you can't attach war crimes to that particular soldier. War crimes were committed by some actors on all sides(god, now I feel like a Liberal might attack me on this. But I'm going to reference the known: Dredsen fire. Churchill was a jackass. He attacked civilian populations.)

The law-abiding soldiers on both sides(even the defeated) deserve the right to live their lives in peace and if they still support the idea that they fought for(National Socialism), then by all means.

 

It literally was a street gang formed into a paramilitary. There's nothing that could've gone well with the creation of such a device. I think that should've been the first sign of trouble if you were a German citizen living in Germany.

 

Listen carefully. The Vietnamese didn't invade anything. Read, my friend. Read the history of Vietnam. Do you even know why Ho Chi Minh became a popular figure? Do you not know? Seriously? There was no North & South Vietnam. It has always been one country. Listen now. Ho Chi Minh liberated Vietnam from French occupation. Ho Chi Minh is the father of Vietnam as a nation. Prior to Ho Chi Minh there was no independent Vietnam.

Once the French had been tossed out the Nation of Vietnam was to have its first Democratic election. The only problem was that the French had fostered Christianity in the country and they had been given privileges. But when the French left Democratic elections were to decide the future of the country BY DEMOCRATIC MEANS. Do you understand what that means? By international decree, the U.S. was to leave as soon as the election had been done. Instead, the U.S. refused to allow the elections to take place and decided to occupy the southern part of the country ILLEGALLY. Read, my friend read. The U.S. did not merely contribute to a war .... the U.S. created the war.

What part don't you understand?

 

No. Hitler's party was the perceived solution to the big problem that already existed in post-WW I Germany. The brown shirts were certainly considered the good guys similar to the way in which Americans think of gun-toting Jones who shoots to death a burglar. I am not praising Jones or the brown shirts. I am merely saying what I do believe the opinion of the down-trodden German citizen was feeling at the time.

 

Who declared "the country" of South Vietnam?

Hint: NOT the locals.

Until round-eye westerners came along, the people of Indochina were doing quite well, thank you.

 

An insightful response and a breath of much-needed fresh air.

 

I agree that the majority of german soldiers were not murderous nazi scumbags. But the SS clowns were all dedicated nazis and hence aided and abetted, either directly or indirectly, the depravities committed.

Piss on their failed service to such a repulsive ideological cancer.

 

Not to mention that much of the covert activity supporting war was funded illicitly by drugs coming out of the golden triangle

 

(In Memory of the 7,600 civilians murdered in Hue by Vietnamese communists)

The city of Hue is one of the saddest cities of our earth, not simply because of what happened there in February 1968, unthinkable as that was. It is a silent rebuke to all of us, inheritors of 40 centuries of civilization, who in our century have allowed collectivist politics-abstractions all-to corrupt us into the worst of the modern sins, indifference to inhumanity. What happened in Hue should give pause to every remaining civilized person on this planet. It should be inscribed, so as not to be forgotten, along with the record of other terrible visitations of man's inhumanity to man which stud the history of the human race. Hue is another demonstration of what man can bring himself to do when he fixes no limits on political action and pursues incautiously the dream of social perfectibility.

What happened in Hue, physically, can be described with a few quick statistics. A Communist force which eventually reached 12,000 invaded the city the night of the new moon marking the new lunar year, January 30, 1968. It stayed for 26 days and then was driven out by military action. In the wake of this Tet offensive, 5,800 Hue civilians were dead or missing. It is now known that most of them are dead. The bodies of most have since been found in single and mass graves throughout Thua Thien Province which surrounds this cultural capital of Vietnam.

Such are the skeletal facts, the important statistics. Such is what the incurious word knows any thing at all about Hue, for this is what was written, modestly by the word's press. Apparently it made no impact on the world's mind or conscience. For there was no agonized outcry. No demonstration at North Vietnamese embassies around the world. In a tone beyond bitterness, the people there will tell you that the world does not know what happened in Hue or, if it does, does not care. ..
continue -> http://ngothelinh.tripod.com/Hue.html

 

And how many civilians were killed when the city was declared a free fire zone?

 

A march of wheel chairs?

 

A roll on of wheel chairs. I don't care if they use skate boards. It's their right to march, and everyone else's right to point fingers at them.

 

Yeah ... "not to mention" that too.

 

From what I heard, around 800 were caught in the cross fires.
That also includes traffic accidents and getting run over by water buffalos.

 

Why would I expect anything other than lowly slurs, sarcasm & insults from someone who can refute nothing I've written & supported?

If anything I've written were "bullshit spin", you should be able to easily refute it but you can't.

Get lost

 

Dude... seriously...
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-23427726
The result was industrial-scale slaughter, the equivalent, he said, to a "My Lai each month". Indeed, by the end of the operation Ewell's division claimed an enemy body count of close to 11,000, but turned in fewer than 750 captured weapons.

The amount of ammunition fired per soldier was 26 times greater in Vietnam than during World War II. By the end of the conflict, America had unleashed the equivalent of 640 Hiroshima-sized atomic bombs on Vietnam.


The US vietnam vets are called baby killers not for the luls. It just is.
About a 1/3 of the soldiers suffer from PTSD not for the show of it.
Over half of them soldiers used drugs.

There really is no difference between that and the freaking SS.
Just ignorance and patriotic pride that stands in the way.

 

Yes, every American in SV was very worried about every Vietnamese in their vicinity. The house boy could be and often was the VC at night. MamaSan with the best iced coca cola could be lacing it with heroin as well as making sure the enemy knew where tomorrow's bivouac was going to be located.

Americans shot willy nilly, and then body counts only intensified the blood shed.

 

They were not the American SS, because America had no such programs of annihilation and dehumanization as did the SS.

Bad comparison.