Waffen SS Vets March Openly In Latvia

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  1. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Moscow and the Jewish Congress are furious over the march, and the EU and UN were adamantly opposed to it, as were the minority Russians in Latvia. Seems this year it was larger than the previous years. There were guards at the borders to keep foreigners from joining the march.

    As to be expected, it was played down by the media.




    https://www.fort-russ.com/2019/03/l...committee-face-down-nazis-in-waffen-ss-march/
     
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    Good on Latvia for respecting their freedoms of speech and association.
     
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    Sickening, though it does show you who to ostracize.
     
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    We're not talking about the German army here with their sense of honor. We're talking about the SS, a powerful Nazi paramilitary which was declared a criminal organization at the Nuremburg trials. They are the ones who carried out all the atrocities and racist policies that Nazi Germany is known for - including the tortures and genocides of the Slavs, Jews, communists, Romas, etc.

    Is this what you're applauding?
     
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    There is no right to protest on another’s property. Still, again, at least it shows you who to spit at should the impulse strike.
     
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    Applauding the SS? No, of course not. Supporting their basic human rights like anyone else, sure.
     
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    Latvia is good to let decrepit 80 and 90 year olds march.
     
  8. Jeannette

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    This march is nothing compared to the ones glorifying Bandera a Nazi collaborator in Lviv and Kiev. It's the mentality that's worrisome. In Latvia it's an affront to their large Russian population which suffers under an apartheid system. The Latvians feel as long as they have the American soldiers there, they can provoke all they want - but the American troops might not be there forever. There's a lot of problems going on with Germany and Nato.

    In Ukraine the glorification of Nazis is a lot worse of course. They see the Nazi collaborator Bandera as Ukraine's founder, when his organization the UPA committed atrocities against the Poles that would make Hitler blush.

    Anyway there is a rise in nationalism and Nazis come in from all over Europe to join in the marches, this is why Latvia closed its border.
     
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    Will we look down with disdain on the honoring of veterans just because the cause they fought for turned out to be a bad cause?

    For those that look with disdain on these veterans, do you see Vietnam Veterans in the same sort of way?

    Yes, there were some atrocities committed in Latvia, but it was often done by the common people, not the Waffen SS in particular, and in many cases these people had just joined the Waffen SS to defend their country against Communism and defend their national identity from invasion by Russia.

    I don't see why this has to be politicized.
     
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    Are human rights not based in acceptance and equal approval?
     
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    The difference here in America compared to Latvia, in America we have the Democratic party wing of the American Taliban who toppel statues and try to erase history with an agenda that those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
     
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    The Vietnam Veterans' cause was far above the Waffen SS or the Confederate troops.

    The Waffen SS, regardless of the cause they supported, have every right to march publicly, and the public has every right to say 'boo'.
     
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    For what? What did they do that you think you should 'boo' them?

    Put on the wrong uniform?

    Should they have sacrificed their country [Latvia] to the Soviet Union just to do anything that might help make the Nazi German government fall?
     
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    I agree with you that there is a parallel to honoring former Confederate troops.

    Something even those who fought on the side of the Union didn't oppose decades later.
     
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    Let all posters be aware that kazenatsu will slice and dice and splice quotes he does not like, so here it is again: "
    The Vietnam Veterans' cause was far above the Waffen SS or the Confederate troops.

    The Waffen SS, regardless of the cause they supported, have every right to march publicly, and the public has every right to say 'boo'."
    You are not the morality judge, katz. They can march: their right. I can boo: my right. You can question that: your right. I don't care what you think.
     
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    Every year around this time WW ll Marine veterans and Imperial Japanese Army and Marine veterans of the battle for Iwo Jima pay honor.

    The U.S. Marine Corps and the Japanese military also show up.

    Happens every year.


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    Your "interpretation" of history is bullshit apologism for nazi scumbags. And that sure as hell is an attempt at politicization.
     
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    The Waffen SS butchered through Europe into Russia and its captive populations.
     
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    Even terrorists do not lose their rights, or at least are not supposed to. Let alone these guys.

    Fascists have the right to freely speak and associate like anyone else.
     
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    They are free to do so, but they are not free of the consequences of expressing those freedoms in public. Stay ensconced under their rocks and no worries. Crawl out into the sunlight and receive the animus of a world who will never forget nor forgive the scum.
     
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    Then the Soviet army butchered, raped and pillaged across Eastern Europe all the way to Berlin.
     
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    WW2 vets in general deserve respect. The German Wermacht fought no less valiantly for their country than anyone else.

    But anyone proud of being in the SS is a monster.

    Im not saying they shouldn't be allowed to march, Im just saying I personally wouldn't look too hard into the matter if an admitted/proud SS vet were found gutted in a ditch.
     
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    You gotta hand it to them, it takes a real pair to flaunt having been part of the SS in this day and age.
     
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    Looking forward to the Sons and Daughters of the
    Confederate States of America Parade?
    The Rights of States.

    How about a White Pride Parade.
    Caucasians made the modern world.

    Why not?

    Oh, the CSA was so very, very bad
    White Pride is so very, very bad
    yet . . . . .

    Gimmie a break!


    Goose and Gander Rule!



    I'm waiting for the "Straight Pride" movement.

    Moi :oldman:


    :flagcanada: Has No Pride
     
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