Wahington state becomes first US state to recognize as holodomor as genocide.

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    Most Americans won't have a clue what you're talking about.
     
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    It's an horrible crime but the worst ? I don't say it was less horrible than other crimes, but the 20c was filled with so many horrors that make you sick just by reading the reports about it that at a moment, you're anyway in the worst horror possible and their is no more "more horrible crimes" but just the deep horror.
     
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    Bravo ! The world needs to know what Stalin and his bolshevik scum did to the ethnic Russians and Ukranians.
     
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    The entire Communist movement could be described as 'the worst' in world history but we also have to recognize the individual groups of humanity which suffered, and finally recognize them.
     
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    Islamic state, Conquistadors and nazis weren't better thatthe communist.

    By the way I don't support communism, but what was the crime of first communist : to wish a world without child labour, slavery, where workers could spend some time with their family instead working 12 hours a week, 6 or 7 days a week, to wish that their hard work would be recognized enough to feed their family. The problem of communist is they were so obsessed to reach a society without oppressed poor people they didn't care about the way to reach that. Their carelessness ltransformed a dream into one of the worst nightmare. But was it a real crime in 1850 to think that the place of children were in school not at the mines ? By the way, no.
     
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    It seems you feel communism solved child labor laws or shortened the work week? Is this so?

    Killing over 100 million people is more than just 'carelessness'. Like Nazism, Racism, Fascism and the recent arrival of their cousin Islamofascism, Communists and their sympathizers created untold horrors in the world, with over 100 million dead, and were supported by Leftists through their 70 years of inhumanity. And all to create better working conditions, as in Siberia perhaps. The Democracies made these changes with any Communist involvement whatsoever.
     
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    Communism itself no, I think however that the fear of a communist insurrection played a positive role because some social reforms were made to prevent a communist insurrection.

    Yes by the way, I don't think that Mao/Stalin/Lenin/Pol Pot/Kim-Jong Il/Che Guevera killed by carelessness and "oops, I didn't mean it".
    The carelessness come from Marx who didn't understood that the way you take are as important than your aim but Marx was "just" a philosopher, a guy who suggested something. He is not responsible for the lack of step back of the people who used his ideology. Karl Marx wished for a society without oppressers, it's rather ironic he just created a new form of oppression.
    The carelessness come from all people who helped individuals like the one I talkes about up to get power and didn't realized they weren't building a heaven but a hell. They were blinded by their own pride and ideology.

    Their is a slighty difference between communist and the other ones. If you read the project of nazi, fascist or islamofascist, you can see the horror from the beginning. Some people claim that "true communism" was never tried, I think they're wrong, their is reason if communism systematically became the same horror everywhere. It's probably what make communism more unique and probably a theme of reflexion for historian for a long time.

    The fear of communism or the different kind of moderate people slighty inspired by Marx played a role however.
     
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    And no russians have starved to death in that famine, I suppose.

    I guess my people were dying just out being so well fed, fat and evil, in all the rest of the Union.
     
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    Good post. But Marx was not careless, he was naïve with respect to human behavior. Everyone who believes communism or socialism (in any form) will work is naïve. There will always be people who aspire to control others and who will gravitate to the powerful positions created by all types of communism/socialism.
     
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    It's about time.

    I am pretty amazed that Washington State would do this, as they are very Leftist---and they typically cover for their communist idols like Stalin and Mao.

    However, there are more Asians than Jews there, and the Holocaust is something many Jewish leaders don't want competition for sympathy with.
     
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    You're correct, of course, but being far too kind by using the word "naive". Karl Marx was a damned fool, living off the backs of his neighbors, and his followers were only looking to legitimize a dictatorial power grab, and of course a shorter work week and freeing their people from US 'Imperialism' was their stated goal. They were later able to spend their lives in absolute luxury while the people under them starved.

    Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez, Daniel Ortega, and dozens of others have used the hopelessly stupid leftists to support their dictatorships. Even to wear their souvenir T-shirts, but perhaps students of the 70's carrying around Mao's 'Little Red Book' were the dumbest of the lot. The facts were in by that time but there is no excuse for softening the impact of communism now. The people who suffered under Stalin's genocide, who have now been acknowledged by Washington State,, should be enough evidence of that.
     
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    Do you understand what socialism is?
     
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    I'll take Cuba's healthcare costs over US healthcare costs any day.
     
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    Yay, now the people of holodomor will all be saved.


    Ah. oh well.
     
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    The cost is your freedom, but that's a small price to pay, eh?
     
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    Exactly, Washington administration issued a directive for that. Everyone has to follow.
     
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    Yes. Its a pie-in-the-sky dream for naïve people who want "equality". For the lazy and jealous its a fig leaf for an easy life funded by other peoples hard work. For those wanting to rule, its a propaganda tool for acquiring massive power. Socialism is a stepping stone to tyranny and dictatorship.
     
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    More of the Democratic Party pushing for Hilary Clinton's war with Russia.

    The USSR is gone, doesn't exist anymore.

    When are they going to pass a resolution condemning the atrocities by Mohammad, Genghis Khan, Alexander The Great and the Roman Empire? Certainly a resolution condemning the human sacrifices by the Mayans and Incas. History demands it.
     
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    What freedom?
     
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    I'll take that as a "no"
     
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    Amen. This is a much needed step towards curing the amnesia surrounding the myriad Communist/Socialist crimes against humanity that were committed during the 20th Century. In the process, I think it would also be helpful to point out the Socialist roots of Nazism as Friedrich Hayek, George Watson and Jean-François Revel did.
     
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