Wait Just a Minute! Some Very Good News May Be Coming

https://www.americanthinker.com/art...minute_some_very_good_news_may_be_coming.html

This is a good article on the election and what may happen. There has no doubt been some voter fraud and shenanigans as in pretty much every election. The question now is just how much fraud.

I have came to the same conclusion as the author of the article. The only difference is I am taking a wait and see approach.

Could Biden still lose after the media called it for him? Sure. Nothing has been officially certified yet. The media doesn't decide who wins elections. Things are more complex than folks think and Trump does have an uphill legal battle ahead if he wants to pursue it.

Will Trump pursue it? I would say the odds are in favor of him doing so. Trump is Trump and he does not seem to back away from things like this. After going thru a phony Russia Collusion investigation and bogus impeachment, this will be a cake walk for Trump.

Will Trump prevail? That remains to be seen. The best shot he has depends on how much corruption there was in this election. There seems to be alot of it with plenty of proof. The bottom line is are there enough votes involved to affect the outcome of the election?

I do not see the courts taking up cases just for academic exercise. If there is no possibility of changing an outcome the courts are probably not going to bother and I do not blame them.

If Biden won by enough legitimate votes then so be it. I believe most people see it that way. If there was corruption on a massive scale then that is another story.

All we can do is wait and see.

 

Common sense should tell you that nothing Trump does will reverse the election. As you say fraud is common but it is never enough to overturn the outcome. Your best bet is to hope that the senate remains in republican hands.

 

Not just common sense but historical precedent....in a normal election year but this is far from that.

My assessment is based on what is actually happening. I am not really predicting an outcome here because there are a few variables involved. It does depend on how much voter fraud and irregularities there are. Seems to be alot.

You seem to want Biden to win. Nothing wrong for rooting for your favorite but you should face facts here. This election is far from the norm. Anything can happen.

 

Lol...most people aren’t still desperately beating a dead horse.
You know that nobody stole the election but you persist in blowing smoke.
Even trump knows it’s over. He switched from claiming he’d won to grousing that he won’t be attending Biden’s inauguration.

 

The dems droned on and on about Russian Collusion over a few facebook ads......

 

If any Biden fans have an honest and thoughtful response it would be much appreciated. The OP is my honest analysis.

To reiterate, the outcome depends on how much voter fraud was involved. If it is enough to overturn the media's decision then we will see an unprecedented event.

 

Voter fraud probably does happen but I've always felt that it probably happens at a level on both sides that it effectively cancels itself out.

The results of this election should be scrutinized like we do for all election results. That's the right approach, even if it does manage to change the election result. I don't think it will, but I'd rather Trump win legitimately than Biden win illegitimately.

Diehard Trump supporters will always cling to the notion that the election was stolen from Trump. But the reason that there are always far more perceptions of voter fraud than there ever is actual evidence of it is because these claims are comforting to the voters who've lost. And right now, apparently also to the president who lost.

 

▶ " Dead people have been voting for a hundred years in Democratic cities. It is such a constant that one would think the Republican Party would consider a Dead Voter Outreach program to get their share. "

~ This guy obviously knows California .

 

Why should any Dem invest any time in trying to educate a trumper? It's more fun to set and gloat.

 

The folks in PA have been clear. These ballot that are set aside, throw them all out and PA still goes to Biden. He’s going to near double his lead to around 70-80k.

I asked in another thread, you probably hadn’t seen my question. Do YOU believe that Trump WILL be president Jan 22nd 2021 and serve a second term?

 

It doesn't have to necessarily be 'fraud'. Irregularities can also get ballots tossed. For instance, accepting ballots beyond the state law deadline because the state court allowed, despite the act being an overstep by the court. Or, witness information on mailed in ballots being corrected by clerks in Wisconsin because they were instructed to do so could result in thousands of tossed ballots in the end.

Neither of these constitutes fraud IMO, but both examples should result in a winnowing of vote talleys. It's likely that over the next several weeks we will be watching the two campaigns fight it out in the SCOTUS.

 

This isn't the Bush/Gore affair where it was decided by a few votes in one state.
Biden won by over 4 million votes and is leading in a number of states by thousands of votes.
The only state that might be impacted would be Georgia - so they absolutely should have a recount.
If Arizona gets called for Biden, I would hope that Trump would concede the election and let the country move on.

If Biden wins the popular vote in Arizona, Pennsylvania, Nevada and Georgia and then the Courts overturn the election, I'm afraid
the country is in for a very nasty 6 months of riots and crashing stock markets - and I think the Justices would be VERY reluctant
to do that unless there is overwhelming evidence of massive fraud in multiple states, and I think that would be highly unlikely no matter
what the talking heads on right wing media tell you.

 

We do not know that yet. Justice Alito told Pennsylvania to keep the late votes separate. They didn't so he told them again. This is interesting. The SCOTUS is definitely interested in looking into it.

 

So you are not interested in the truth....I see.

 

The reason we have voter fraud is because it works. Even if the courts find fraud or "irregularities" there is no way to go back and unmix those ballots. The evidence might as well be buried in the Meadowlands. Sure, it would be nice for the Civil Rights Division of the Justice Department to investigate and see if they can find individuals to prosecute, but it won't undo the election, and any such investigations end on the day Biden takes office.

 

The question is how much voter fraud was involved. If there was not enough to change the outcome I do not see any urgent reason to pursue the matter. The results are the results. I have no problem with anyone winning an election as long as it is on the up and up.

 

They will look into it, but the evidence would have to be overwhelming at this point for the Court to overturn the vote.
The social and international implications of overturning a 4 million vote victory would cause serious harm to our standing in the world.
The main reason hundreds of billions of foreign dollars are pumped into our markets is because we are seen as a stable, reliable market.
If the Court even gets close to taking this case, I'm going to be shorting that market like crazy.

 

And even if evidenced discrepancies are reversed in Trump's favor, they may not flip states. Necessary conditions but not sufficient conditions for a Trump win.

It's on them to prove otherwise.

But the real story right now to me is the rush to declare the election over and done. Nothing but "Trump harms America" headlines for the last weeks leading up to Nov 3rd - then afterward, it was nothing but "Biden leads / Biden edges closer" headlines. Then the fact that his "acceptance" last night was so unlike any other Biden/Harris rally I've ever seen in terms of enthusiasm. This is meant to imply a clear cut transition from Trump, framing the election as decisively won and far from uncertainty, making Trump an afterthought before votes are even fully tabulated, thus all but guaranteeing mass hysteria if these fraud claims end up being true enough to flip the result. This is funny in that election integrity has been a salient issue since 2016 and any attempt to get ahead of procedural, institutional oversight has been condemned... until just last week...

 

and a Trump Tower meeting, and asking Russia to find Hillary's emails, don't forget that

this election Trump tried to use Ukraine, and asked other countries to submit fake ballots

Trump lost, even with his attempts at cheating....

 

Seems you're the one not interested in it.

 

The grapes in here are extremely sour.

Trump lost, Bigly.

Biden won. It is time to move on. Hell, even Lara Ingram stated it's time to be gracious and concede.

It's gonna be comically sad to see Trump forcibly removed from the WH.

 

I agree. The most Trump can do is delay the inevitable for a week or so and agitate the hell out of Biden supporters while tainting their 'victory'. For that reason alone I am inclined to suggest that Trump 'go for it'. In the end Biden will still become president . . . but he won't be doing so with a mandate and nor with a clean start. Karma is Karma.

 

"The OP is my honest analysis"

YOUR "honest analysis"?

^Wow! Really???

You have a job working as an Opinion Writer for American Thinker and you are able to take time away to come by and post at PF?

Cool.

Well, since time you are claiming Authorship of the Article, may I respectfully point out that all of those claims are completely misguided (and none of them has even a minuscule chance to flip any state).

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I say go for it too. It just puts the final stamp to Trump being exactly what the whole world already sees him as, a complete cry baby bitch. I hope he goes so far that he taints the Senate hopefuls in the runoff elections in Georgia.

 

That is what I am talking about. If dems are so sure Biden won legitimately wouldn't proving it be humiliating for Trump? Why would they pass up such an opportunity?