Want to live 10 years longer?

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  1. Gelecski7238

    Gelecski7238 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    A faculty member at a college where I worked (I think he was semi-retired/part time) was perplexed because he couldn't regularly get the surge of physical power that sometimes occurred when he jogged to the point of near collapse. He couldn't understand why something so good couldn't be more readily available.

    I told him that he was using up his life-force reserves i.e. when a flood of adrenal hormones had to kick in due the extreme demands using up his available energy etc., and I reminded him about the scientific investigations that had been done on animals faced with unrelenting heavy stress and their pattern sustained resistance followed by terminal collapse when they had no more to give.

    I think he realized the need to moderate his exercise regimen, but his biological gas tank did run out permanently within a year or so.

    Thus it's a judgement call as to what amount of exertion develops higher capacity without hastening the depletion of irreplaceable reserve.
     
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    Sound advice. And I often wonder why dog owners entice their dogs to repeatedly chase things which they've thrown for them, especially the labrador breeds, which apparently have an inherent weakness in their hip joints. After all, dogs don't need to run to keep fit any more than we do - regular walking is the key. On a few occasions on my travels over the years, I've seen an incapacitated dog immobilised because of a broken hip, or, to judge by the way they're walking, are suffering from prematurely arthritic or worn-out joints.
     
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    Whole Foods is trying to temp people back into poor health habits. Bread is crap food. And a lot of people have given it up to get healthy, like me! As it turned out, beyond being empty calories that added fat and spiked my blood sugar, it was also causing severe heartburn! I had no idea it was bread. Heck, I'd eat toast to try to reduce heartburn. I'd been on Rolaids and Tums since about age 12, with chronic heartburn my entire life - after every meal. It wasn't until about age or 10 or 12 that I realized this isn't normal.

    I gave up bread when I went Keto, and the heartburn was gone almost overnight. I've probably had ten Tums in the last 6 years. I used to eat ten or more a day.



    A gf left some bread here once. Late one night I realized that I had butter and bread in the kitchen. Mmmmmm, I could make toast. I don't have a toaster but I can wing it! I hadn't had toast in over six years. What the heck, I can eat a piece of toast or two after all this time, right?

    I work up in the middle of the night with reflux so bad I was regurgitating stomach acid. I was dying! I hadn't felt that since I stopped eating bread. And it seems that after not eating bread for so long, the effect was even worse. It was more like I had taken poison or drank a jug of vinegar.
     
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  4. wyly

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    nothing wrong with bread it has carbs that our bodies need, like any other food when eaten in moderation there's no problem with it...the reflux problem you have may be caused by bread but that's just your reaction, most people don't have that reaction to bread....it may be just a coincidence you feel better when you changed your diet, it could very well have been something other than bread else that triggered the reflux but you eliminated that as well...
     
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    Bread has no food value. It is garbage. Eat foods dense with nutrition. For example, use cauliflower flour instead of wheat flour. And you get plenty of good carbs.

    The number one cause of obesity is eating too many calories. Bread is empty calories. Make your calories count.
     
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    I mention the heartburn in particular because I wonder how common this may be. Antacids are big business. And everything I was told was wrong. It wasn't spicy food, like spaghetti, it was the pasta! It wasn't the tomato paste or the spicy sausages, or the cheese, it was the pizza crust! The problem was wheat flour, not spices or anything else.

    Natural wheat was about 20% wheat gluten by weight. Now it can be as high as 80%. It has been hybridized to maximize gluten production. I don't know if gluten is the issue but it is a striking figure.
     
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    sorry you're wrong bread has value, carbs are essential for us, without them you will die ...whole grain breads and pastas are good source of vitamins and fibre all helping your digestive system stay healthy and keeping your blood sugar levels steady.

    your keto diet will fail, all gimmick diets fail because they're unsustainable...
     
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    then eat gluten free bread, it sounds to me you made a quick judgement without knowing what is actually responsible for your reflux...and it may be the bread or gluten but how would you know for sure?...I used to get headaches if I didn't have a coffee, I assumed it was a caffeine withdrawal but it turns out it was the sugar I was putting my coffee that my body craved...the headaches stopped when I cut refined sugar from my diet...sugar may not have that effect on everyone else but for me it did...
     
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    What is the difference between a good carb and a bad carb?

    What is the difference between an empty calorie and a full calorie?
     
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    You're not the only one who can't eat wheat. When I got off of wheat, barley, rye, and oats decades ago, I couldn't handle more than a trivial amount of rice either. Now I'm not so sure about the rice, but I won't experiment during the warm season.

    Yet I could handle wheat if a strong, persistent air mass was coming in off the ocean. But right after the wind direction changed to any of the usual prevailing landmass sources, the wheat ripped right through me. I got the same relief pattern from a foot and a half snowfall when everything ground to a halt, but after the snowplows cleared the roads and everybody jumped in their cars, I was back into physical misery again.
     
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    none, to your body carbs are fuel it doesn't care where it comes from...

    as for bread, whole grain brown bread is a better choice because of the fiber and additional vitamins, highly refined white bread still has required carbs but it's lost many of the nutrients found in whole grain breads...
     
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    10 years longer would be great if I could fit in in between 20 and 30, however at 80, i'm not sure I would want to.
     
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    as for bread whole grain brown bread is a better choice because of the fiber and additional vitamins, highly refined white bread still has required carbs but it's lost many of the nutrients found in whole grain breads...
    it would depend on how healthy and mobile you are at 80...sitting in a wheel chair in a retirement home at 80, yeah that's long enough I'll check out early thanks...walking, healthy with my brain still functioning another 10 yrs would be great...
     
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    true, like the mandate from government that carpet glue must be added to all cigarettes sold in the USA

    the oldest recorded person to have lived smoked just short of 100 years of her life, with the new government mandates to poison smokers I doubt she would of lived that long - non-smokers would really like to brag that they have that title of longest living human, but as of yet, smokers claim that title - I believe moderation is key, as with anything, smoke to access and your gonna harm your health - the government intentionally making cigarettes kill smokers was wrong on so many levels, they should be charged with crimes against humanity
     
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    our bodies don't actually "need" carbs (as long as you eat enough protein and fat), though it would be hard to avoid carbs altogether
     
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    actually they do, carbs are essential...carbs are found in vegetables, whole fruit, legumes, potatoes and whole grains and fats are just converted carbs...after you reach maturity proteins are no longer required, proteins are linked to cancer in adults...
     
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    fat and protein is essential, carbs are not, you can survive just fine without carbs

    your body can make all the glucose it needs without carbs as long as you eat enough fats and proteins

    fats and proteins are essential, carbs are not, you can survive without carbs

    http://www.diagnosisdiet.com/food/protein/

    "We can live a whole lifetime (after infancy) without eating any carbohydrate, and we can live for 6 months or more without eating any fat, depending on how much fat we have on our bodies to begin with. However, we have no way to store proteins and can only live for a maximum of 70 days without eating any protein."

    "Since we can’t make proteins from scratch, and we can’t store excess protein, protein is the only macronutrient that we absolutely must eat regularly in order to thrive. Without enough protein in the diet, the body will have no choice but to break down muscle fibers to release the protein it needs to survive."

    I personally think the ideal diet is low carb, high fat, moderate protein

    though you could eat high enough carbs to create your own fat, and eat moderate protein, just not as good for your health imo

    I suppose you could even eat huge amounts of only protein, and that woudl create your glucose needs and fats if enough extra glucose from the protein - short term you woudl survive, but still not best for your health imo
     
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    I am screwed though at my age it helps not to die young like many I have known.

    I have outlived many who have lived very clean lives.
     
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    another part of the equation is stress, stress kills, if trying something new like quitting smoking, new diet, ext causes stress that leads to you dying sooner, it doesn't pay off, it's a gamble, one is just playing the odds, doesn't mean one will get the pay out, lots of variables - the reason people do chemo is they are playing the odds, they may lose, they may give up part of their life on the gamble that they will live longer... they may not.. they may of lived a long life without the chemo - it's a gamble

    some things "may" help one live longer, but it's not 100% a sure bet

    though with 20\20 hindsight, I would of done some things different for sure
     
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    If I did I'd quit smoking
     

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