War, Pearl Harbor, Attacks to US Soil.

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  1. delade

    delade Well-Known Member

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    I am not sure if the U.S. has ever had to face legitimate prolonged Air Threats from other Country's Bomber Planes flying overhead or very near so we cannot say we know what it is like being under 'lock down' from another Country.

    I don't know how many Airstrikes or Bombings that the U.S. has faced and encountered from enemy forces but I think I would be safe to say that they were probably not very amusing to be a part of.

    Perhaps during the World Wars, the Axis Powers were focused on the other Allied Forces, besides the U.S., to focus their targeting on. There were more direct threats to the other Allied Powers than to the U.S during those wars.

    In fact, I believe that the U.S. did NOT even want to be part of any World War and even declared that they did not want to be part of International War.
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    cerberus said: ↑
    It was Pearl Harbour which changed all that, wasn't it?

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    delade said:
    But that was only 1 that I know of.. Are there others? And that didn't happen to the whole Nation. Only 1 State of The United States. An attack which only affected those living on the Island of Oahu. Not even the ones living on the other Hawaiian Islands were affected as much. Remember that the German soldiers were attempting to cross the Russian Borders by foot after their machinery jammed. I am referring to land invasion en masse, not in isolations.

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    cerberus
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    I'm a bit pushed for time right now but I think there were other factors, one of them was the sinking by torpedo of a ship with American children on board en route from the US to the UK

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    World War I
    1915
    German submarine sinks Lusitania

    The earlier German attacks on merchant ships off the south coast of Ireland prompted the British Admiralty to warn the Lusitania to avoid the area or take simple evasive action, such as zigzagging to confuse U-boats plotting the vessel’s course. The captain of the Lusitania ignored these recommendations, and at 2:12 p.m. on May 7, in the waters of the Celtic Sea, the 32,000-ton ship was hit by an exploding torpedo on its starboard side. The torpedo blast was followed by a larger explosion, probably of the ship’s boilers. The Lusitaniasank within 20 minutes.

    The sinking caused a storm of protest in the United States because 128 American citizens were among the dead.

    http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/german-submarine-sinks-lusitania


    (is the ship that was being referred to by chance)?


    The USS Liberty incident was an attack on a United States Navy technical research ship, USS Liberty, by Israeli Air Force jetfighter aircraft and Israeli Navy motor torpedo boats, on 8 June 1967, during the Six-Day War. The combined air and sea attack killed 34 crew members (naval officers, seamen, two marines, and one civilian), wounded 171 crew members, and severely damaged the ship. At the time, the ship was in international waters north of the Sinai Peninsula, about 25.5 nmi(29.3 mi; 47.2 km) northwest from the Egyptian city of Arish.

    During the Six-Day War between Israel and several Arab nations, the United States of America maintained a neutral country status. Several days before the war began, the USSLiberty was ordered to proceed to the eastern Mediterranean area to perform a signals intelligence collection mission in international waters near the north coast of Sinai, Egypt.After the war erupted, due to concerns about her safety as she approached her patrol area, several messages were sent to Liberty to increase her allowable closest point of approach (CPA) to Egypt's and Israel's coasts from 12.5 and 6.5 nmi (14.4 and 7.5 mi; 23.2 and 12.0 km), respectively, to 20 and 15 nmi (23 and 17 mi; 37 and 28 km), and then later to 100 nmi (120 mi; 190 km) for both countries. Unfortunately, due to ineffective message handling and routing, the CPA change messages were not received until after the attack.

    According to Israeli sources, at the start of the war on 5 June, General Yitzhak Rabin (then IDF Chief of Staff) informed Commander Ernest Carl Castle, the American Naval Attaché in Tel Aviv, that Israel would defend its coast with every means at its disposal, including sinking unidentified ships. Also, he asked the U.S. to keep its ships away from Israel's shore or at least inform Israel of their exact position.


    American sources said that no inquiry about ships in the area was made until after the Liberty attack ended. In a message sent from U.S. Secretary of State Dean Rusk to U.S. Ambassador Walworth Barbour, in Tel Aviv, Israel, Rusk asked for "urgent confirmation" of Israel's statement. Barbour responded: "No request for info on U.S. ships operating off Sinai was made until after Liberty incident." Further, Barbour stated: "Had Israelis made such an inquiry it would have been forwarded immediately to the chief of naval operations and other high naval commands and repeated to dept [Department of State]."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident


    According to Israeli sources, at the start of the war on 5 June, General Yitzhak Rabin (then IDF Chief of Staff) informed Commander Ernest Carl Castle, the American Naval Attaché in Tel Aviv, that Israel would defend its coast with every means at its disposal, including sinking unidentified ships. Also, he asked the U.S. to keep its ships away from Israel's shore or at least inform Israel of their exact position.

    Barbour responded: "No request for info on U.S. ships operating off Sinai was made until after Liberty incident." Further, Barbour stated: "Had Israelis made such an inquiry it would have been forwarded immediately to the chief of naval operations and other high naval commands and repeated to dept [Department of State]."



    Did the SS City of Benares have American Children on board?

    The earlier German attacks on merchant ships off the south coast of Ireland prompted the British Admiralty to warn the Lusitania to avoid the area or take simple evasive action, such as zigzagging to confuse U-boats plotting the vessel’s course. The captain of the Lusitania ignored these recommendations
     
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  2. Jimmy79

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    The only wars to take place on American soil were the the Revolutionary. War of 1812, and the Civil War. We have never even faced a real threat of war on the continental US. That won't be changing anytime soon. At least not in any sustained fashion.
     
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    Air power has by and large gone by the way side. With the exception of combined arms close air support, which is extremely effective, most traditional aircraft roles against static targets(bridges, factories, maintenance facilities, radar/communications, etc) can be done with a wide variety of missiles and UAVs.
     

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