Warming = Climate Change = Heat Waves + Droughts = WILDFIRES and DUST STORMS:

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  1. bobgnote

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    Wildfires rage in US West - World News | IOL News | IOL.co.za

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    Got Israel, rattling at Iran? These guys do stuff, when Bill Clinton gets blowjobs. Good thing Mr.Obamney stopped smoking:

    Al Qaeda threatens wildfires in US, fire officials ready | abc30.com

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    Something like 70 bad wildfires are burning, in the US, today.
     
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    Its called an ENSO. This happens because warm water, the El Nino, has pooled the Caribbean and cold water, the La Nina, has pooled in the Eastern Pacific. But go ahead and blame the gods. People have been doing it for thousands of years while con men play on their ignorance of meteorology.
     
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    Temperature records are falling, in a particular way. By a ratio of 2-1, record highs out-number record lows. And now, we are burning down, which is related to global climate change:

    Pondering a Link Between Forest Fires and Climate Change - NYTimes.com

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    Climate Communication | Overview

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    Relative increase of record high maximum temperatures compared to record low minimum temperatures in the U.S.

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    Yeah, it's HOT! What did you expect? We are in the midst, of RUNAWAY GLOBAL WARMING. So we'll burn or endure storms.
     
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    Zomg! !
     
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    The El Nino Southern Oscillation is in transition, from La Nina, to El Nino, which will be really vetted, when the Western US gets sloshed, so Sacramento risks a tragic flood, from lousy levees, which will fail, maybe even before an earthquake messes them way up, with a bunch of liquefaction.

    El Nino events will tend to increase, relative to La Nina events, during climate change.

    The drought may be about to end. But this may mean the Mississippi will flood, the West will slide around, etc. The other thing that happens with climate change is deluge, so let's not forget this.

    Maybe we'll have to get another thread, for deluges.
     
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    What we need to do is drill to the center of the earth, drop a nuclear bomb, which in turn will speed up the cycle of the core. Thus, releasing more oxygen through the ocean and creating rain, which will then wet the surface and counter any terrorist action.
     
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    Cart or horse. But since ti is the La Nina that moves the jet stream north and creates the drought than even with your own flawed analysis global warming would cause fewer US droughts not more.
     
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    Nah!Your idea deals with leafs (results) but not with the roots. It does not prevent bobgnote, the Lepper and Co to keep on crap'''' ping... '''' all over PF. Your idea is fully scientific, but it is worthless in the real world of PF as it is known and proven many times that all scientific ideas are worthless in real world.
     
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    You rant about "flawed analysis," without benefit of naming the flawed points or your corrections.

    Climate change will tend to mean drought for some and deluge, for others. More heat is in the system, but temperature rises are moderated by gradual failure, of the perennial ice, which acts as a heat sink.

    When that perennial or cap ice fails, in some large part (psst! see how the Arctic cap is melting, faster and faster?), we will suffer a noticeable temp increase. We are headed for an acceleration, in temp increase, which just isn't evident yet, while the climate system gathers water, in other forms, than ice.

    You don't use commas or independent clauses, with any consistency, so your RWNJ sentences aren't completely coherent.

    First, number any issues you want to respond to, and respond to them, according to the numbers. That way you don't just use bandwidth, to advocate failed RWNJ style, which is not supported, by English grammar and sentence structure.
     
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    Too bad the warmmongers had to contradict themselves the last two years blaming the heavy northern hemisphere snow fall on a small loss of sea ice. That extra snow fall far exceeds any lost ice albedo.
     
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    Clearly you dont understand the concept of pro-core spinning to create oxygen. In every sample model ran, the ocean produce an extra 66% of oxygen then normal.... everyone knows when oxygen hits a cloud, rain happens. So with a 66% increase in oxygen, imagine the extra amount of water that will come down in rain. The one potential problem, is we may not be able to slow the earth back down and it may spin off axis and force us to slam into the sun. Small chance though...
     
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    NO, the annual snow does NOT compensate, for ice albedo, particularly for loss of albedo, related to PERENNIAL ICE, which is failing, at a record rate, almost as fast as your posts fail, at any sort of point media.

    The extra atmospheric H2O does NOT compensate, for any lost ice albedo, since WATER IS A GHG. You keep ranting in a circle, like a dog on a rope, which runs around a pole, which he is tied to.

    Hey, dude. Eventually you just go bowser-wowsers, up against a pole. It's been tried by Fido, already. I wouldn't go chase cars, with what you are packing, either.
     
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    I hoping beyond hope this is sarcasm and NOT the state of knowledge in America!!!
     
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    It doesn't. Snow extent has increased from about 45,000,000 km2 per to 49,000,000 km2 per year while arctic sea ice minimum has gone from about a 7,000,000 km2 to 5,000,000 km2. And snow has a larger albedo than arctic ice.
     
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    Clearly you don’t understand my point. I understand the theory, its logic and evidence.
    As well I understand the delay until scientists figure out a sure way to overcome possible acceleration of the radial spin along of proxy measurement at the angular position of the diametric axis.

    My point is that nothing in this settled theory addresses or prevents bobgnote, the Lepper and Co from crap ”””ing all over PF. The earth can be stopped from slamming into the sun, but bobgnote, the Lepper and the CO will be crapping this sub-forum no matter if the earth slams in the sun or stops spinning.
     
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    Don't worry, bob. Winter will come and cover it all with snow.
     
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    Maybe when I capitalized PERENNIAL ICE, all the people with some sort of agenda to distort ignored that, to make un-linked claims, about ANNUAL PRECIPITATION, which will tend to increase, since more H2O is in the climate system. I seem to have to re-post, since certain people don't read my posts or science websites, before they post, here.

    The perennial ice is failing, and the annual ice and snow all melts, with a net loss, of albedo AND a net global average temperature increase. Treelines have moved up, and tree cover has moved, toward the North Pole. Precipitation, including overall annual snowfall has to increase. Tell me something I don't know, about ANNUAL PRECIPITATION, already.

    Since more heat and water are in the climate system, heat ends up somewhere, water ends up somewhere, and the result is a function, of climate change, which is a function, of warming.

    You can't deflect, how when the northern cap and West Antarctic sea ice are gradually failing, with permafrost, and when these reflect, less, there will be more GHG concentration, in the atmosphere, and the warming will accelerate. Then Greenland and East Antarctic ice will start to fail, and when it does, we will all be dead.

    If people don't notice how warming accelerates, AGAIN, we will have records of all these posts, if the US continues, at NSA HQ or somewhere, maybe, and future media analysts can see, how some people are like the flat-earthers of the past, but when that Greenland and East Antarctic ice starts to really melt, and it will, the water will not just get into storms or fall off the edge of the earth.

    Sorry about your FAILURE POSTS, but if you want to link to annual ice or snow, go ahead and do it, without pretending you won't FAIL, since I am writing about PERENNIAL ICE, in capitals, since deflectors will have to admit that is what I am writing about, sooner, rather than later, even if sooner in your terms is a couple of pages, with a corresponding waste, of bandwidth, for this thread.
     
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    Arsonist gets death sentence...
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    Jury: Death for arsonist convicted of 5 murders
    Sep 28,`12 -- A jury on Friday recommended death for an arsonist convicted of murdering five men who died of heart attacks during a wildfire that ripped through Southern California nearly a decade ago.
     
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    Which "warmongers" and where

    BTW

    Don't confuse bad journalism with good science
     
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    Well...I am betting on a warmer than average winter here in the Southeast.

    Just planted turnips, wheat, and clover.

    I figure on an early spring also....I'll be breeding my sows in January.

    Looks like we will get another cutting of hay this year also...so far climate change has been good to me.
     
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    It's so dry the bullfrogs is knockin' onna door, wantin' a glass o' water...
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    How Dry We Are: Current Drought Reminiscent of Dust Bowl Days
    January 10, 2013 – Almost 62 percent (61.8%) of the continental United States experienced drought in July 2012, making it the largest drought-affected area since the end of the “Dust Bowl" era in December 1939, when 62.1 percent of the U.S. was drought-stricken, the USDA said.
     
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    ya a rather embarrassing error on his part...
     
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    Not error at all. Bob is making it up. Snow cover has far greater albedo effect than Ice at the top of the earth where there is little sun.
     
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    Well...here we have had plenty of rain. The turnips are coming in and it is very green for this time of year. We are even getting green spots in our usual dormant grasses. Most of it is fescue and clover.
     

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