Warning from Australia about green energy

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  1. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This came to you via: http://www.cfact.org/

    I notice but one of you seems willing to discuss such events taking place in Australia. And wish to attack the messenger that keeps up with many sources.
     
  2. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    By the way, i would say Gore parlayed his greed into a huge fortune. And lives with the highest of all of us. He lacks no luxury.
     
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    Everyone suffers energy problems no matter what choice they make in the generation of the energy. But the op is agenda driven propoganda.
     
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    Your concept is correct - but backwards.

    Americans used to have little knowledge of Australia, it was the "land down under" of Crocodile Dundee and Steve Erwin, it looked like a younger version of the USA. And of course that idea was promoted by the AUS travel bureaus. Americans projected their ideas onto a largely blank canvas of Australia.

    Now its different. Americans in general don't have personal contact with Australia, but thanks to the internet Americans know something of Australia. And the Australian myth has been burst. Australia is not a younger, robust version of the USA, full of independent people, its just an offshoot of socialized PC crazy Europe.
     
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    Your myth, not mine. Virtually everything Americans say about Australia is myth, as evidenced by your last sentence. You know so close to nothing about Australia as to be functionally the same. The little you do read, like the article in the OP, is about American ideology, not Australian realities. Thus it is basically worthless, as are any opinions based on such sources.

    I have spent most of my life paying close attention to American politics, history & society (I blitz online citizenship tests - rarely less than 95%). I don't expect Americans to know anywhere near that much about my nation, but I'm perfectly happy to have discussions about my country with people who are either well informed or willing to learn. I have been fortunate to encounter some Americans who fit at least one of those criteria. Unfortunately they are a tiny minority. Most Americans seem actively hostile to learning anything about other nations that fails to reinforce their own prejudices. I see no evidence you or the OP are any different.
     
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    Thanks for the reply. Its rare that someone falls over themselves to prove one of my points, but there you go doing just that. Thanks for playing.
     
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    Meanwhile in the REAL WORLD this is happening;

    https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/06/china-worlds-largest-floating-solar-power/

    And let's just look at a few facts about coal, m'kay?

    https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016...ertaken-coal-the-iea-says-its-a-turning-point

    As with any new technology there will be mistakes made but the trend is an unmistakable move away from dirty coal and towards cleaner renewable alternatives.
     
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    I know just how you feel. Truth often hurts. ;-)
     
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    Interesting. You claim to have some expertise in American politics although you are not an American and do not live in the USA, and you gained this knowledge through reading and the internet and some contact with a likely non-representative segment of Americans. But Americans cannot learn something about Australia through reading and the internet and some contact with a likely non-representative segment of Australians?

    That leads to 2 conclusions. First, if Americans use the same process you use but come up with faulty conclusions about AUS, then its very likely the process is faulty and you have an equally faulty assessment of America. Second, if the process is accurate, then Americans are making correct conclusions about AUS and you just don't like the results, leading to another conclusion that you have a personal bias issue.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The Democrats always find a lot of fault with America and end up praising the daylights out of China. China cuts back a tiny bit using coal and by golly they are awesome. China still builds coal fired plants. And a lot more than any other nation. China exports coal plants globally as well. China has not given up coal, it simply modifies its story.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The largest improvement for Australia was their hydro-electric power generation. Solar was small.
    https://www.cleanenergycouncil.org.au/policy-advocacy/reports/clean-energy-australia-report.html

     
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    A mountain of assumptions there and no facts. Par for the course.

    Oh, and there is a difference between 'can't' and 'won't'. I doubt you understand.
     
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    Frankly, perpetuating a false claim regarding Gore's finances is not about warming, is it?
     
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    I notice you do not address anything I posted - I must have hit a tender nerve.
     
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    You didn't post anything that warranted addressing. Just a lot of hollow speculation based on zero actual knowledge. I don't have anything to prove to you so I'm not going to bother trying. It sounds like you are projecting your own behaviours on to me. Just as this thread isn't really about Australia, your comments aren't really about me.
     
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    Ironic!
     
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    China is suffering from the pollution of coal fired plants in it's cities and knows how much that is costing it in lost productivity and healthcare. China's central government has figured out that coal is not sustainable in the long term and is already making money by investing in renewable energy.

    Yes, they still have coal fired plants because they need the energy now but long term China knows that coal will do it more harm than good so they are investing in RE because they expect to still be around in the future. China takes a long term approach to most problems and that is a good thing IMO.
     
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