Warning from Australia about green energy

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  1. bigfella

    bigfella Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for the reply. Its rare that someone falls over themselves to prove one of my points, but there you go doing just that. Thanks for playing.
     
  2. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Meanwhile in the REAL WORLD this is happening;

    https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/06/china-worlds-largest-floating-solar-power/

    And let's just look at a few facts about coal, m'kay?

    https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016...ertaken-coal-the-iea-says-its-a-turning-point

    As with any new technology there will be mistakes made but the trend is an unmistakable move away from dirty coal and towards cleaner renewable alternatives.
     
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    I know just how you feel. Truth often hurts. ;-)
     
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    Interesting. You claim to have some expertise in American politics although you are not an American and do not live in the USA, and you gained this knowledge through reading and the internet and some contact with a likely non-representative segment of Americans. But Americans cannot learn something about Australia through reading and the internet and some contact with a likely non-representative segment of Australians?

    That leads to 2 conclusions. First, if Americans use the same process you use but come up with faulty conclusions about AUS, then its very likely the process is faulty and you have an equally faulty assessment of America. Second, if the process is accurate, then Americans are making correct conclusions about AUS and you just don't like the results, leading to another conclusion that you have a personal bias issue.
     
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  6. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The Democrats always find a lot of fault with America and end up praising the daylights out of China. China cuts back a tiny bit using coal and by golly they are awesome. China still builds coal fired plants. And a lot more than any other nation. China exports coal plants globally as well. China has not given up coal, it simply modifies its story.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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  8. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The largest improvement for Australia was their hydro-electric power generation. Solar was small.
    https://www.cleanenergycouncil.org.au/policy-advocacy/reports/clean-energy-australia-report.html

     
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    A mountain of assumptions there and no facts. Par for the course.

    Oh, and there is a difference between 'can't' and 'won't'. I doubt you understand.
     
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    Frankly, perpetuating a false claim regarding Gore's finances is not about warming, is it?
     
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    I notice you do not address anything I posted - I must have hit a tender nerve.
     
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    You didn't post anything that warranted addressing. Just a lot of hollow speculation based on zero actual knowledge. I don't have anything to prove to you so I'm not going to bother trying. It sounds like you are projecting your own behaviours on to me. Just as this thread isn't really about Australia, your comments aren't really about me.
     
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    Ironic!
     
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    China is suffering from the pollution of coal fired plants in it's cities and knows how much that is costing it in lost productivity and healthcare. China's central government has figured out that coal is not sustainable in the long term and is already making money by investing in renewable energy.

    Yes, they still have coal fired plants because they need the energy now but long term China knows that coal will do it more harm than good so they are investing in RE because they expect to still be around in the future. China takes a long term approach to most problems and that is a good thing IMO.
     
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    Rather than go with renewables, China simply reduces by perhaps 15 percent the number of coal plants. But they keep building them in China as if they do not mind the pollution.

    Frankly, when their pollution reaches my state, then I shall be more angry with China. I am amazed how this country gets called out though we have made vast improvements yet China gets the praise. Amazing stuff.

    Most who blast America simply do not understand what has happened to this country. We have performed miracles and our Carbon Dioxide footprint is getting smaller, not larger.
     
  17. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Hey, I quoted Australia's own reports. They laud improvements to hydro power.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You act as if I claimed the sole source of Gore's wealth is due to climate positions of his. I never made such a claim. I maintain that since he lost the election to Bush, he has made millions of dollars due to global climate issues.
     
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    Notice that I point out both sides of the issue, that's not a sign of bias. While you only highlight one side of the issue - that's bias.
     
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    You act like I don't know what you're up to.
     
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    We have had many debates in the past where your bias is evident so let's not pretend that you don't have one, m'kay?

    I never "highlighted" either "side of the issue" you are having with Bigfella. Instead I just pointed out the irony of your accusation when you are obviously biased yourself.

    Now let's examine the FACTS so as to make my position abundantly clear. When it comes to general knowledge about the rest of the world Americans are woefully ignorant. In fact we Americans are woefully ignorant of our own nation and how it works. The average American would FAIL the citizenship test that immigrants have to pass. The citizens of other nations kick our ass when it comes to knowledge about the rest of the world.

    http://www.newsweek.com/how-ignorant-are-americans-66053

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...S-citizens-dont-know-basic-facts-country.html


    So yes, it was ironic for you to accuse the rest of the world of our own shortcomings. We know a great deal less about ourselves than foreigners do and we know a whole let less about the rest of the world than they do.

    Next time try informing yourself of the facts before jumping to erroneous conclusions.
     
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    Except that no one in the world cares about Australian politics.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Five eleven since you mention it.
     
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    But hydro is only in one small area and that is the snowy mountains

    We are a flat country. Hydro is not a real option for most.
     
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    Actually gas is a better back up. The issue is that electricity companies do not like tohave facilities that are not operating at peak level 24/7. Eats into the profit margins.
     
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