was confucius "woke?"

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  1. Rampart

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    why, yes. and so was jesus

    Tsze-kung asked, saying, "Is there one word which may serve as a rule of practice for all one's life?" The Master said, "Is not RECIPROCITY such a word? What you do not want done to yourself, do not do to others." analects 15

    if you simply MUST have a culture war i will gladly oblige. otherwise, analects is on the internet and i'll be reaguainting myself with the master.

    who do you think the magi, the wise men of the east, were? it is impossible to read matthew without thinking that confucius, zoroaster, and buddha taught very much the same "woke" gospel
     
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    And yet the Confucians lost the left's Cultural Revolution.

    The left doesn't have a culture. It destroys culture and has totalitarianism to replace it.
     
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    officially confucianism was ended in 1905 by the koumintang, by eliminating their examination system. do you doubt the wisdom of the master? mao certainly did not.
     
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    No doubt that is why he defaced Buddhist temples.
     
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    and he cut the ties binding the feet of 1/4 billion women. the chinese communists replaced the most corrupt regime on earth at the time. sometimes a revolution, even a cultural revolution, is necessary.
     
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    OK. So you are a Maoist Good to know
     
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    no. maoists are far too organized. i am a democrat.
     
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    The irony of your post, is that Confucius was as Conservative as they come. The basis of his entire philosophy, was to go along with the predominant culture, and its beliefs. Respect tradition. Don't make waves. Think like everyone else. He was more of a Traditionalist & a Conservative, than any MAGA Republican today, who casts unfounded doubt on elections, spreads conspiracy theory about public health mandates, tries to regress Women's rights by 50 years, and spreads fractious contention, through hateful, alarmist demonizing of crossdressers & transsexuals.

    While I am no huge fan of his, Confucius' system still beats the chaotic hypocrisy of MAGA, any day of the week.
     
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    Depends entirely on what you mean by "woke". Neither Jesus nor Confuscious were pushing race based discrimination or compelled speech.
     
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    So you say 'woke' is just the golden rule. On what do you base this claim?

    I live strictly by the golden rule. I've never been confused for 'woke'.
     
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    You should first address the nine relationships which begin with the nuclear family, that thing woke folk despise among all others.
     
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    most religions start out with the basics - the golden rule, honesty and bullshit like that. it takes a more in-depth study to see the differences and this whole woke thing is no different. where confucius spoke to bureaucrats and jesus spoke to slaves, the woke philosophy speaks to malcontents and its tenets are warped by entitlement and an attitude of victimhood.
     
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    Yes people are entitled to equal rights and not be victimized.
     
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    As soon as I get concrete definition of "woke".
     
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    i have a "nuclear family" which i do not despise, but what is the "conservative" obsession with this very limited relationship. humans evolved and survive best as "extended families."
     
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    ah, here is a guy who can help. is there a link or a reference to this "woke philosophy?" if "malcontent" "warped by entitlement" and "attitude of victimhood" are the markers then trump is the most woke religious leader ever.
     
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    To be awakened is a term used for a very long time. It has a deep sense of intense reflection and thorough re-examination of all the layers society imparts to a developing human. In that context, the historical "Lao Tzu" was one such person. Buddha and Jesus are others.
    The superficial and grammar bending "woke" has little to do with this.
     
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    Confucious was as woke as Trump is crooked and damaged. Jesus was woke too...he would turn DeSanctimonous into stone :) but not the RW sycophantic "followers" because they are like lambs to the slaughter, misguided and uninformed.
     
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    I believe it was Voltaire who stressed the importance of defining your terms.

    Therefore, we have to agree on what "woke" means.

    Any takers?
     
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    if you get any answer i'd like to hear it!
     
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    How was Jesus woke?
     
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    @Hey Now

    if we get any answers at all i'd be surprised, because obviously being "woke," if anyone really is woke, would be a good thing.
     
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    The short version- black people originated the term 'woke' to describe those who were aware of the social injustices blacks suffered in America. Then leftists appropraiated (stole) the term and used it as a catch-all for everything from trans rights to socialism. Then rightists starting using it as a slur against leftism in general.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woke
     
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    i suppose that like most really bad slogans ofthe21st century, "woke must have staryrd with blm, a group that seems to revel in setting back their own, and other dem's, objectives.

    blm of course, and any "mainstream" dems who use the term do so in a positive way, and the dictionary seems to agree.

    so we're going with "a slur against leftism in general?" if so. "woke" is an insult and a tos violation.
     
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    sure, but not any more so than 'commie' or 'boomer'.

    BLM didnt come up with the term. Maybe BLM elevated its use into the mainstream where it could be reappropriated...
     
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