Was Derek Chauvin verdict fair?

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Was Chauvin verdict fair?

  1. Yes, it was fair.

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  2. No, it should have been longer.

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  3. No, it should have been less.

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  1. Moriah

    Moriah Well-Known Member

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    Former policemen, Derek Chauvin, has been sentenced this day, June 24, 2021 to 22.5 years in prison for the murder of George Floyd. I heard one of the news people say that he is planning to appeal his sentence.
    Was this a fair sentence? What do you folks think?
    I think it's fair as long as he serves the full 22.5 years, with no parole.
     
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    Reasonablerob Well-Known Member

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    No, he was innocent and a victim of political correctness.
     
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    I don’t think it was fair. That’s a long sentence for someone who wasn’t looking for anything other than to make others safe.
     
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    He will only have to serve 15 of the 22.5 under state law.
     
  5. Moriah

    Moriah Well-Known Member

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    I'm sorry. The correct date of Derek Chauvin's sentencing was June 25th, not the 24th.
     
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    OK.
     
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    The road to hell is paved with good intentions and all that jazz. I don't really have an opinion on his sentence. I have a bigger problem with the floyd reference on the tshirt of the juror who lied about attending a protest. While I think the cop is clearly guilty of something, I think systemic problems are not addressed by ignoring the ones that go your way. This was no little white lie and for that reason I think the whole thing needs to be thrown out and start over again. If not, in such a high profile case, potential jurors are going to be lying through their teeth to get on the cases they want.
     
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    I don't think so. 22.5 years in prison seemed high enough to the court not to let the BLM riots flare up again.

    Justice for Mr. Chauvin didn't matter for one second. :(
     
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    Definitely. He committed racially-motivated murder.
     
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    Prove it was racially motivated. The prosecution could (and did) prove the charge of second degree murder on the basis of Chauvin's actions on the day in question. As to why he did what he did? Well you can have all the opinions you want as to why but absent an admission from Chauvin that they were racially motivated or some other corroborating evidence that's all anyone can do - speculate and have opinions. Fortunately the particular charge doesn't require motive as a key element so he does time regardless.
     
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    This is a victory for Fairness and Justice.
     
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    At law the any concern for the safety of others in such situations has to be both proportional to the potential threat posed by the suspect. Once arrested, cuffed and on the ground the threat (to anyone) posed by Floyd was next to zero. And Chauvin also had a duty of care for the safety of any suspect in his custody. He dropped the ball on both counts.

    As to the length of the sentence you can quibble about how long it should have been but given the circumstances it was always going to be relatively lengthy.
     
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    other cops should think about this before they do what he did

    no reason to do this to a handcuffed man, one you have on the ground and under control
     
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    So it’s just politically correct to consider blacks as human beings like whites ?
     
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    don't want to do the time, don't do the crime
     
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    The vast majority don't (at least not to the extent or as egregiously as Chauvin did) otherwise you'd have far more deaths like this. When a suspect is cuffed prone and complaining about being unable to breath that is a red flag that has to be addressed, regardless of whether or not you think the person is faking it. And yes they do, quite often. You still have to check.
     
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    yep, even other cops condemned what Chauvin did, not sure how anyone can defend his actions that day
     
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    Because he was a white cop killing a black male.

    There's a fundamental precept of white supremacy that says all black males are generally just violent animals ready and in fact anxious to kill white people and particularly to rape white women just about all the time. For this reason, white people have to brutally kill a random few blacks occasionally to keep all the rest of them in line. It used to be done by lynching but we've become much more civilized now and let our LEOs do it for us
     
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    What a load of crap, such garbage only stirs the pot.
     
  20. Joe knows

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    That’s ridiculous. Most killings by the police are justified. It’s rare you see a black man killed by police unless he is armed and poses a threat to the police or others. Being black does not give them a permit to brandish weapons with no consequence.
     
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    And lynchings didn't happen either.
     
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    Exactly
     
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    Now come the appeals process, and given the passions his case generated he shouldn't lack for the means and representation to pursue any angle...the lawyer or firm that could get his conviction tossed or sentence significantly reduced would ensure themselves a steady stream of clients for years.
     
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    Are you six? Or are you a magician that magically read something that was never written? I never implied that lynchings never happened. I implied that you are wrong on blacks being shot unjustly.
     
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    So being pinned on your stomach, handcuffed behind your back posses a threat to “ to the police and others.”
     
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