Was Derek Chauvin verdict fair?

Discussion in 'Opinion POLLS' started by Moriah, Jun 25, 2021.

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Was Chauvin verdict fair?

  1. Yes, it was fair.

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  2. No, it should have been longer.

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    16.7%
  3. No, it should have been less.

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    40.5%
  1. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Like Ashli Babbitts human rights? She did not even get to resist arrest and yell that she can't breath. BAM she was killed.
     
  2. Buri

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    I’m saying that right now the same event that happens to a black person is, for no good reason, a bigger deal than anyone else. Cops shoot more white people than black and no one says a word.
     
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    The issue had to deal with whether the neck restraint should have been used and whether the continued time period to use it was dangerous. That is what the judge addressed and the jury addressed.

    I am saying the skin colour had nothing to do with the above and the decision to use this case to engage in negative generalizations about all black people has nothing to do with the legal issues of the case and is a pathetic snively and cowardly attempt to impose a bigoted hateful deflection from the actual issues.

    Anyone with any iota of intelligence would know this tactic is inappropriate on anyone of any skin colour. The actual police manual of Chauvin prohibited its use and anyone can read the manual.

    The fact Robert And Buri now respond as they do is deliberate playing ofvthd blacks deserve what they get for being criminals card. Absolutely pathetic.

    I also now state Buri you are no cop. You pose as one. If you have that attitude and wear a uniform J am thd first to tell you to your face I will bust yer ass. You would be a disgrace to the uniform. You try rationalize inappriate choice and use of force by ignoring the manual, then back pedaling then spewing g two butvrace baiting ****.

    This is why forums have ignore buttons.
     
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  4. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You want to be ignored. Heck, that is easy to do.

    As to your wild ass tirade against me a citizen whose son in law is a cop (retired) and more, and Buri a former LEO with such hostile outbursts deserves the forum giving out the big ignore. But not to me nor Buri. We have tried to inform you why Chauvin did not get justice.
     
  5. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I have hoped and hoped even one Democrat would get angry when a white is shot by cops. I even sought this about Ashli Babbitt a white woman and they defend the black cop. I suppose they do not see that is racist.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If you are black, do not call me or Buri out over race. We have not made it racist. We simply point out truth.

    The truth is very few blacks have these problems with the cops. And you know that. It is just a few that probably were raised in the city Jungles we must deal with. And you protect those. I do not understand.
     
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  7. Buri

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    Neither you or I have blamed any of this on being black. I made the statement that no one cares if this happens to a white guy, which has nothing to do with what occurred here. If anything we’re trying to address facts with logic and reason.
    Why this escapes so many here I have no idea. I guess feelings beat reason.
     
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    This is about Derek Chavin....we have other threads about the Lunatic Babbitts
     
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  9. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So it is confined to one human rather than those killed by cops? Who told you that?

    As expected you adore Floyd yet hate Babbitt. I get it, she is white.
     
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    this case was about putting a knee on the neck of a handcuffed man for 9 min on video
     
  11. Buri

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    where he put the knee had nothing to do with why Floyd died. He would have died sitting in a car with a seatbelt. Time was irrelevant considering Floyd’s poor health and drugs.
     
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    Your honor my client's "victim" has been proven to have a heart condition that might very well have killed him in the ensuing years according to his doctor. My client's shooting a bullet through this faulty organ did nothing but accelerate an already occurring process. Far from being sent to prison, he should be rewarded and the bill he has presented to the family for this selfless service must be paid forthwith.
     
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    sure, if someone put their knee on a cops neck for 9 minutes and the cops died, you can bet, they would be in prison too.... as they should be
     
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    You clearly don’t understand culpable mental states.
     
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    the knee was not the problem.
     
  16. Moriah

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    What was Ashli Babbit doing when she was shot? She was breaking the law.
     
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  17. Moriah

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    "When you commit crimes you lose your right to remain outside a jail".
    That's good to know. I'll be looking for all the Capitol insurrectionists from Jan 6th to serve substantial sentences.
     
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    Floyd was resisting (from a certain standpoint, in some way). When police can't easily control a suspect, physical force is often used.

    Your analogies are disingenuous. You are trying to compare a person putting someone else into a restraint for no reason.

    What happened here was a little more complicated.

    The law tells police to restrain people in this sort of situation, police are going to try to do that.
    Humans are not completely infallible and can sometimes make mistakes. This seems to be something close to a reasonable mistake.

    He was high on drugs and panicked and might have run into the street, and police couldn't immediately stop him because of his unusual strength, and he might have been hit by a car. Also could have been dangerous to police if they tried to chase after him in a busy street. There was some reason for them to take him down and make sure he wouldn't be getting up. Just admit it. There was a little bit of a safety issue.

    If Floyd had been hit by a car, people would also be blaming police.
     
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    He's not going to serve the entire sentence. He'll be eligible for parole and he'll get it.

    I have no problem with his sentence and I have no issue with him being paroled when he's eligible as long as his conduct while in custody warrants it. I believe justice was served, but some are only interested in revenge instead of Justice.
     
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    So anybody who breaks the law deserves to be shot? Or just white people?
     
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    Whichever ones committed crimes should go to jail. That includes people who refuse to obey lawful police order no matter what color you are.
     
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    They won't. The vast majority will face a fine or community service. That's because there was no insurrection. It was an act of civil disobedience similar to many we saw all last summer.
     
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    How can you expect people to be logical when they think Breonna Taylor is a hero and she shot at police?

    The message from the left is that black people have the right to assault and even kill cops and that black criminals are more important than the blacks they victimize.
     
  24. Moriah

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    Weren't they looking to overturn the November 2020 election? Doesn't that quality as an insurrection?
     
  25. kazenatsu

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    That would kind of be like calling it "terrorism" when a woman threatens to spray silly string at anyone in public wearing pro-Trump clothing.
     

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