Was Derek Chauvin verdict fair?

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Was Chauvin verdict fair?

  1. Yes, it was fair.

    18 vote(s)
    42.9%
  2. No, it should have been longer.

    7 vote(s)
    16.7%
  3. No, it should have been less.

    17 vote(s)
    40.5%
  1. Moriah

    Moriah Well-Known Member

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    The insurrectionists were attempting to overturn the November 2020 Presidential election.
    That's a bit more serious than spraying silly string at people.
     
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    Yes, I think so. The media spectacle was beyond awful and you had multiple large news outlets and prosecutors basically arguing that Chauvin was the reincarnation of Satan and Hitler in one body, but I think the ultimate conclusion (he was guilty of negligence) was correct.

    And honestly, if you think he was in the right, then there is very little that you will think a police officer legally can't do. That has dark implications.
     
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    You raise a crucial issue for me as an aging lawyer who now only teaches. Revenge instead of justice is a concept that I have struggled to explain for over 25 years. I wish I could do a better job. In my humble personal opinion I have come across so many people who mix the two and think they are one and the same.

    For me I believe in restorative justice programs because you know what I will say-maybe with some crimes the best we can do is quarantine such people, i.e., sociopaths, serial killers, homicidal repeat offenders, violent criminals, sex predators. I doubt there is any treatment for them other than isolation from the mainstream.

    That said though 80% of prisons are filled with people with mental illness and drug addiction issues. Putting them in jail simply gets them all the drugs they want and teaches them what do do when they get back out to get those drugs.

    I ask like so many what the hell happens to a society when it has so many drug addicted and mentally distirbed people that we lock them up? How is it we can not address their actual issues.

    Well I know in reality you can't help an addict who does not think h e/she has a problem and io know you can't treat many forms of mental illness because the patients reject it. I get that.

    However I would hope we can spend some more time on restorative justice programs thjat steer the mentally ill or addicts who are first time offenders to treatment programs.

    I myself am a string believer in taking first time offenders and youth and rerouting them to farms and collective units where they work together using their hands believe it or not. When I say hands I mean farming, planting, building homes for the homeless, roads for rural communities, looking after animals in shelters-doing things that restore their ability to work on projects that have them learn they can do positive things and they have alternatives.

    Its hard but its trying to be done. That is my best way to answer your comment because some days walking out of the prisons or half way houses, I learned most of what I saw in my humble experience were people who had a spiritual problem, by that I simply mean, they stopped believing in their ability to overcome their limitations and negative parts.

    Believe me I am no dreamer. I have sat aross from guys that woudl rip your eyes out and eat you...but I also have seen lost souls looking for redemption too.

    I am surprised at how many street cops taught me that and how they could see the difference and would adjust depending on who they dealt with on the street believe it or not. Most people think they are all burned out on humans. Not so. Not all.

    Their are also clergy, doctors, nurses, volunteers who taught me that.
     
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    Then why was no evidence of a racial motivation presented?
     
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    There was no evidence that this was motivated by race. The prosecution didn't even attempt to make that argument.
     
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    Was never brought up in the MSM or the trail.....................I guess some just like to make stuff up
     
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    Its actually not that rare. Its only rare to the willingly blind.
     
  8. Joe knows

    Joe knows Well-Known Member

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    Actually it is not rare to the blind and inept who obviously have the internet at their disposal.

    “The number of unarmed Black shooting victims is down 63% from 2015, when the database began. There are about 7,300 Black homicide victims a year. The 14 unarmed victims in fatal police shootings would comprise only 0.2% of that total.”

    https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/3235072001


    But you can continue your lies, no one here will stop you
     

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