Was Enoch Powell Right?

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  1. Comet

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    Respected British historian David Starkey has sparked controversy over comments made on the BBC's Newsnight programme. He is basically saying that in the inner cities, English culture is being destroyed and is being replaced by black culture.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gU5TcTSa9kk"]David Starkey On Newsnight (Whites Have Become Blacks) - YouTube[/ame]
     
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    I doubt any of those white kids rioting can speak patwa , guys riot for all sorts of reasons this is like saying England has never rioted before "Black culture" whatever that is made them do it
     
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    WHAT 'English culture'?
     
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    There's the flaw, straight away. Starkey is a right-wing extremist with an extreme anglo-centric bias that pervades every line he says or writes. He has an extremist agenda, and even writes his 'history' purely to further that agenda. His only interest is the glorification of his beloved England over and above every other nation or culture in the world. His regular political comments are as utterly and completely valueless as is his version of 'history'. No surprise that he is showing his true colours as a racist moron.
     
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    No - he isn't a 'racist' because I disagree with him, I disagree with him BECAUSE he is a racist. He is a right-wing extremist, interested only in promoting his own idea of his own country and culture as being 'superior' to everything and everyone else in the world. This is nothing new from him at all - he is an extreme cultural supremecist.
     
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    so he's a racist b/c he is anglo-centric?

    that makes sense.

    If you love your country you are a racist

    got it :rolleyes:
     
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    When I asked a similar question a few days ago, some wrote that the rioters are basically disgruntled with their lot in life. No, not enough to get off their rears and do something about it, but self deserving enough to wanting someone else make things better for them.
    And if they don't get what they want, they trash whatever they find around them.
    After some thinking, I came to the conclusion that yes, here I go again, jobs are the answer.
    Just think, if every able bodied person would go and work, then come home to tend to the needs of the family, most would be too tired to even think about rioting.
    So yes, perhaps people were right. Gov must provide....jobs. Not hand outs to keep the masses at the edge of well fed and disgruntled, but jobs, to keep them well fed and...give them a sense of belonging, a sense of seeing for themselves how empowering it is to earn, instead of waiting until something...never enough...is thrown their way.
    Simple solution, as always, here and elsewhere. JOBS. Phase out entitlements ( except for the disabled and elderly), create JOBS.
    Its a way of learning that, what you earn is yours, and you don't want it given away to those who are never happy without knowing how hard it is to earn it.
     
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    welfare mothers can run a free day care center for the moms and dads that are on workfare.
     
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    Cenydd, holding your country in high regard isn't necessarily racism. People from all over the world are of the same race as he.
    Perhaps its a sense of superiority, and sense of national pride instead?
    I don't know the man, and haven't looked into it at all. But I know that one can be biased about one's nation without being racist.
    Its too broad a statement to hold merit.
     
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    The kids don't want to work.

    The government can create the job, but the kids won't take them. You'd have to find a way to force them.

    Besides, Government can't do this forever, otherwise you end up like some places in Europe where the Public Sector employs more people than the private!
     
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    Kid will have to take the jobs if they have no other means of supporting themselves.
    Its part of free society, choosing one's own destiny.
     
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    Typical attacking the messenger. He flat out said it is not a racial phenomenon, but rather a cultural one.

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    Then, I guess the NAACP is racist. ;)

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    Make up your mind. Is he a racist or a cultural supremacist? Are you using the term racist as a childish, meaningless pejorative?


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    My take on the welfare state:

    The welfare state has undone thousands of years of social evolution that led to advanced agricultural societies with male dominated families. We are now seeing the return of female dominated families resembling horticultural societies. These loose family groups are more tribal. Instead of crops, the female leaders gather welfare benefits. The male has little to do, but protect territory with violence and procreate.

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    I think you miss the point that they don't want to work, they want it handed to them without doing the work. They want to take from those who have and give it to them.
     
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    No, that's when they steal, loot and burn.
     
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    The NAACP is Anglo-centric in your world?
     
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    No, of couse not.

    Only Anglos can be centric-style racists?

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    sounds like he is saying that only whites can be racists doesn't it?
     
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    I'm not that familiar with Starkey, but honestly... He's basically right.
     
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    I think Starkey is dismayed that immigrants to England have altered the culture in a negative way.

    This has been a common fear in all societies exposed to immigration, even the United States of 100 years ago, or today for that matter. I think it ocmes down to selectivity in immigration, its clear that he has no qualms about blacks who aspire to common jeld English ideals, but he is against those who want the advantages of English society but do not want to carry the weight of responsibility and res[pect for their newly adopted country.

    I don't see him as racist, but, rather, protective of a culture that has accomplished so much over time. And, ironically, has doen it so well, that it attracts those from other cultures.
     

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