Was Google right to sack anti-Diversity engineer?

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Was Google right to sack anti-Diversity engineer James Danmore?

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  1. btthegreat

    btthegreat Well-Known Member

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    My preferred standard has to do with what people do with their private time, off the clock, off the premises. He wrote this memo on company time, with company equipment and he was not too careful where it ended up in the company. I am not too sympathetic.
     
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    Burzmali Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    WTF are you babbling about?
     
  3. The Wyrd of Gawd

    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    It's nice to know that you support Colin Kaepernick and Kathy Griffin in their drive to increase social awareness of major problems.
     
  4. dairyair

    dairyair Well-Known Member

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    And yet snowflakes are here whining about it.
     
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    The snowflakes got the guy fired
     
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    Doubtful. The whining snowflakes in this thread had nothing to do with his firing.
     
  7. Mac-7

    Mac-7 Banned

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    You are a lib copycat

    Snowflakes are liberals not conservtives
     
  8. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    The only thing I've got is that Google is a private company and can do what they wish as far as staffing.
     
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    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    when it comes to religion conservatives can be snowflake like.
     
  10. JDliberal

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    He did make stereotypes. His training in science should have made it obvious that he cannot generalize his observations to an entire population. Maybe people without critical thinking skills will just blindly support this guy, but anyone that can critically think or has any basic scientific training, can easily see this is just confirmation bias fueling his prejudiced views. He did not randomly sample women, he did not report observing men as a comparison group and generalizing this to all women is just absurd. One a final note, change these statements to be about a certain race and he would have been fired by the time the story hit the internet.
     
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    Another liberal with a religious hangup

    Thats sad
     
  12. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    I'm an anarcho-capitalist. The people who call themselves conservatives are left of me.

    Further I have no Hang-Ups about religion you do whatever the hell you want just keep it to yourself.
     
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    Assuming you are an American citizren I can only say the US is becoming a very fractured society eith a lot of new terms for some very weird ideas
     
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    Well the term anarcho-capitalism simply means capitalism with an entirely free market based only on meritocracy.

    Also socially I'm a libertarian so I don't have Hang ups about whatever religion you want to be part of.

    Just keep it out of the public I don't have to respect it and if you try and force me to I'm going to trash it every chance I get. Let's not forget Islam is a religion too.
     
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    Wikileaks offered this guy a job.
     
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    THis guy is obviously no dummy after reading what he wrote. But nobody working at Google is a dummy. And They can hire and fire whoever they choose. What was most telling is what everyone already knows. Liberals are intolerant when it comes to discussing apposing viewpoints and this guy was really laying into some core issues.

    It's basic PC and it's a plague. I'm surrounded by it where I work because we deal with the same issues. We're forcing women into historically male dominated roles in order to fix lack of diversity in certain areas. Problems arise when certain people obtain roles but no one knows why....besides a select few. And to dare question the choices spells certain doom to those brave enough to speak up. And what happens? Silence. So most just keep their mouths shut for fear of represcusions. Care to guess how that effects the culture when you have one group who wants to get the issues out on the open and another who wants to fix those issues without actually discussing them.

    think of it this way. Who would be fired first? The guy who asked how a woman got her job or the woman who asked how a guy got his job? Guaranteed the guy would be deemed a jerk while the woman, a strong outspoken leader.
     
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    The only problem with this guys memo was that he criticised his employer! Did he seriously expect to keep his job? This is the reason he was fired. I really don't think he would have gotten fired just from his opinions, despite how much Google may not have liked them. Also, isn't there such a thing as "unfair dismissal" in the USA? We have it here in Australia. So if he was fired just because of his opinion, he could take them to court right?
     
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    No, he was fired for his opinion. The Google CEO confirmed that in his email.
     
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    Really good point he raised there:

    The so-called "white male privilege" was strangely unable to protect him from being summarily fired.
     
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    You should read the memo. He did the exact opposite of what you claim. He did not apply the conclusion to all women but merely said that studies of large populations indicate trends that in part explain why there exists imbalances in some jobs.

    You are yourself doing what you hereby despise. You have failed to even look at the memo and how it applies the evidence or interrogate the evidence yourself, and you have simply shouted down alternative viewpoints with hysterical hyperbole.

    I suggest that you are not actually a liberal and you should not use that word in your username. I suggest you are instead a social totalitarian, using left wing ideology and the tyranny of the masses to dominate and oppress people.
     
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    Google is either anti-science....which would be a bit ironic...or the real reason he was fired was because he criticized the company's ideological bubble culture that "alienates conservatives"...which would be deliciously ironic.
     
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    I can guess that it means there is sniping and women who are actually good at their job are not given full credit by their colleagues.
    Silencing dissent is counter-productive that way...
     
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    Okay. So my point is, isn't there such a thing as "unfair dismissal" in the USA? Can't he take them to court? Here in Australia, unfair dismissal is when an employee is dismissed from their job in a harsh, unjust or unreasonable manner. Or would the US government consider this a fair, just and reasonable dismissal?
     
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    This is what I thought, but the CEO's email (to Google staff) says otherwise. After reading the email, I was amazed to discover that not only does he make it clear that the guy was fired for his opinions but that the parts where he critisised Google were acceptable! I'm the exact opposite of the CEO in that I actually think that there was at least grounds for being fired because he critisised his employer. If I critisised my employer, I wouldn't expect to keep my job! If someone doesn't like what their employer stands for, there's a simple solution - LEAVE! However,
    I can't see how there was grounds to fire the guy based on his opinion. That is just f*cking mad.
     
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