Was Hillary's loss result of campaigning in error?

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  1. ChrisL

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    She lost the election because of a lot of different reasons.
     
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    Forumite Andrew Jackson directly contradicted himself for all to see.
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    25 is the speed limit.
     
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    Agreed, but the terrifying part-is that dems fell in line and said yes mamn.
     
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    US Conservative Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Is a military man your brother?

    Hows it to kick that dirt up on your back?

    Is it working?
     
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    Plenty.

    Hillary, Pelosi, Reid are good examples.probably Bush too.

    And that's just the important politicians, branch out and the list goes.

    And ps, I also was under the impression that you were foreign to the u.s. and that you really don't like the u.s. at all.
     
  6. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Sorry, I think we still have a few little details that need to be worked out before we can settle down to deporting millions and throwing most of our sick poor out to die in the streets so as to Make America Great Again.

    I agree it's over and done with and Trump is President, but I think we really need to understand why this terrible thing has happened, so we can make sure it never happens again.

    And one of the main reasons it happened is that we had two opposites come out of the woodwork. One is the clone of Adolf Hitler and the other the reincarnation of George McGovern. The former would have never really been a problem for anyone if the latter hadn't spent the majority of his misbegotten 15 minutes of fame siphoning off momentum and voters from the only candidate who should have had any real chance of winning in 2016. We, and the nation, lost badly in this last election and we lost partially because of idiotic idealists who not only believed the most poorly told and totally obvious series of baseless calumnies I have ever seen one group insult another's intelligence by putting forth; these gullible idealists were also not willing to settle for what was realistically possible, and so enabled what was totally evil to triumph instead.

    We also lost because, IMO, Trump outright stole the election with the criminal aid of his Russian conspirators. You may think it childish that I believe strongly that traitors should not profit from their crime and that those that want to help them do so are equally treasonous, I do not.
     
  7. Pycckia

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    Given that the penalty for treason is death, do you advocate executing all of Trump's supporters?
     
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    Should be interesting to see what happens. Both parties are pretty much in civil wars of some sort.
     
  9. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    America is my home. Few people can exceed my love for my home. I do not like what I see undermining what I've always seen as what makes America unique and I believe that most of those most strenuously doing so now are also Americans, not foreigners, perhaps you see that.

    Hillary, Pelosi, Reid are politicians through and through, there can be little doubt of that. And politicians are not likable people as a group.

    I always found George Bush to be an exception to that rule. He had an almost Puckish sense of humor and, as far as it can be told from his public persona, appeared an exceptionally personable and eminently likable individual. I'd like to be able to say I found him to be just incompetent and a man stretched beyond his abilities but alas I think that many of the really bad things he did to this country were very much intentional. They may have been the result of sincerely held ideological precepts but it was a warped and evil ideology nevertheless.
     
  10. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    I think the penalty for treason isn't prescribed in the Constitution. I don't think that all or even a lot of Trump's supporters think he committed treason. If a US citizen thinks that Trump did conspire with a hostile foreign power to illegally influence the election and further thinks that is perfectly OK what else can we call that but treason?
     
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    "Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

    (June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 807; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(2)(J), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)"

    We could call it a difference of opinion.

    But I am interested, do you want Trump and/or his supporters executed for treason? For what? How did Trump or his supporters give aid or comfort to Russia?
     
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    That's either a fact or a lie, but not an "opinion."
     
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    How did Trump steal the election? Did he make the DNC disenfranchise their own voters? Did he make black voters stay home, and not vote for Clinton like they voted for Obama? Did he make the Clinton campaign take vital swing states for granted, like PA and Wisconsin?
    Did Trump make a status quo candidate who the public didn't trust run against him?
    Did Trump make Clinton blatantly lie about her email server issues?

    Please enlighten me, as tell me how the election was stolen.
     
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    Read the above sentence slowly and carefully. Now be honest and tell me what's wrong with it. I know you know this.
     
  15. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    It's my opinion as to what the fact is.
     
  16. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    The illegal theft and publication of the DNC files influenced many people not to vote for Hillary and that made the election close, if the election had not been close Hillary would have almost certainly won the EC as well as the popular vote.
     
  17. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    I went over it rather carefully. The problem you're finding escapes me. Russia is not at war with us but they are neither an ally nor neutral, so that makes them hostile and the language in the Constitution allows for that.
     
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    Exactly. The democrats inability to see beyond their own fake-news narrative was their downfall. And, their continuing inability to do so to this very day, will continue to serve republicans well.
     
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    Remember MSNBC and CNN's electoral map the day of the election? CLASSIC! #HillaryByaLandslide
     
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    :rofl:

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    I still think you fail to appreciate the significance of comparing Trump to Hitler as you are and how that affected the votes of a slew of independents and people on the fence regarding Trump. When Hilla and her Drones started going full Godwin, as well as making the Deplorables comment, they might as well have personally driven the undecided to a Trump rally free of charge.

    I'll say it again, until you stop thinking of Trump as a genocidal maniac - I'm sorry, but even at his worst he just isn't one at all and your hyperbole is blinding you to that fact - and more as a force for change (however chaotic it might be) away from what many people were disgusted with in DC, in the media, and in Hollywood, you'll never be able to understand why it happened. And I'm starting to suspect you really don't want to.
     
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    They influenced people to vote against Hillary for very good reasons.

    Someone here has a very good signature: if the truth helps your enemies, perhaps you are on the wrong side.
     
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    Sanders would have beaten Trump. Sanders would have been President today if Hillary had not cheated him out of the nomination.
     
  25. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Trump is indeed a force for change and not at all the kind of change I like. I think the US should change in accordance with world trends that are for the general improvement of all and pretty much impossible to go against anyway as they are due to technological improvement. I think Trump and the Trumpistas want us to change by having us return to a past which never really existed in the first place, by having us oppose modernity and the better lives it can bring us in favor of us becoming a sort of hermit kingdom and eventually a third world country, backward and poor.
     
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