Was Hillary's loss result of campaigning in error?

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  1. Iriemon

    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    "Politicalfake.org" How appropriate for a conservative to use for his position.
     
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    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sounds just like the type of stories our Russians friends were putting out on RT.com
     
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    Couldn't even get through your second bullet point without finding a false statement. CNN's ratings are down and their shows are being jumped by Fox and MSNBC per show.

    http://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/fox-news-remains-the-no-1-cable-network-in-total-viewers/336925
     
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    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Of course you couldn't. Most trump supporters are adverse to truth.
     
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    Trump was a private citizen who used his own resources to advance his personal cause.

    Hilary was a member of the US government, and she used the government and taxpayer to advance her personal cause. She has proven she will abuse the peoples trust to advance her self.

    And Hilary looked into the faces of the parents and wives and children of the men killed in Benghazi, and flat out lied to them about her role in the deaths of those people. She lied and covered up to protect her political career. Trump never did anything close to that.

    No matter how much Trump lied, he is a saint compared to Hilary. And you can post a 10,000 word essay and it will not change that fact.
     
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    Just your "opinion". So what?

    Billions have an opposite opinion.

    Carry on. :salute:
     
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    "Billions"? What fantasy do you live in?
     
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    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, at the expense of many. Or can I interest you in a "Trump University" diploma for only $40,000?

    She proved no such thing. You're just being a tool of RW propaganda media.

    Case in point. There's no recorded record of what she said, but the truth in fact was that there was lots of evidence to believe that Benghazi was motivated by the video.


    Weeks after the attacks, intelligence reports similarly remarked on the "fragmentary and contradictory reporting about who organized the attack," and that it is "unclear if any group or person exercised overall command and control and if the extremist group leaders directed their members to participate in the attacks or the attackers did so on their own. To this day, significant intelligence gaps regarding the identities, affiliations and motivations of the attackers remain.

    On September 15, the CIA assessed that the attacks were inspired by the September 11 storming of the U.S. Embassy in Cairo. On September 12, the DIA reported that there were no indications of preoperational planning, but that a mix of terrorists attackers "likely leveraged a target of opportunity amidst security vulnerabilities created by protest activity. Weeks afterwards, CIA and NCTC reported that "the attack probably was not specifically planned for 11 September. In total, analysts received 21 reports that a protest occurred in Benghazi-fourteen from the Open Source Center; one from CIA, two from ___, and four from NSA.

    House Permanent Committee on Intelligence, bi-partisan report. p. 25
    http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2014/images/11/21/benghazi.report.pdf

    It remains unclear if any group or person exercised overall command and control of the attacks or whether extremist group leaders directed their members to participate. Some intelligence suggests the attacks were likely put together in short order, following that day's violent protests in Cairo against an inflammatory video, suggesting that these and other terrorist groups could conduct similar attacks with little advance warning.
    Senate Select Intelligence Committee, bi-partisan report, pp 40-41

    http://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/press/benghazi.pdf

    The only lie on Benghazi was the fabricated "stand down" order RW propaganda media repeated over and over and over to create a fake scandal.

    ROTFLMFAO!!!!

    ROTFLMFAO!!!!
     
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    Then leave the discussion.
     
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    So you support a person who has lied her entire life, abused the peoples trust to advance her personal agenda and enrich herself, and lied to the families of people who died while serving the nation. Hilary is the most disgusting person ever to run for office, and all who support her are smeared by her filth.
     
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    I go where the evidence takes me. Where am I wrong friend?
     
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    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    RW propaganda media. Clinton has probably lied less than most all major politicians, and most of her supposed "lies" (like the supposed lie about the Benghazi video) are actually not lies by RW propaganda distortions.

    Fell free to post a list of Clinton's lies over a year, and let's see how it stands up to donald's pathological, serial lying.
     
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    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    LOL, I'm sure in your world "politifake.org" is "evidence."
     
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    Talk about beating a dead horse.

    The RW has outdone themselves in this thread. :deadhorse:
     
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    I believe its called a circlejerk.
     
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    The above is the all-star post of the thread. It's contrasts Trump's personal life with Hillary's complete disregard for the public trust. As said in the post, "She has proven she will abuse the peoples trust to advance her self". This is beyond dispute.


    An opinion that actually holds water and can be backed up by verifiable fact. Do the factual conclusions make you nervous?? Does it give you pause to question your core beliefs??
     
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    My bet is on heart failure. It would explain her falling and low stamina.
    Also her tendency to retain water requiring she hide her ankles that balloon up.

    Moi, M.D. ret.
    Yes I am a physician although I never played one on TV.
     
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    Let's examine Hillary's Benghazi dishonesty:

    1) She almost immediately tells the Egyptian PM, the Libyan President, and even Chelsea that it was a planned terrorist attack and had nothing to do with the video. There was no wavering. There were no buts. There are e-mails and phone transcripts that back this all up.

    2) A short time later, she tells three families of the Benghazi dead (in separate meetings) that the deaths were triggered by an Internet video. Please don't insult anyone's intelligence by calling the families liars. They were grieving people who had no other agenda than wanting straight answers.

    3) The administration proceeds to lie to the American people for weeks, blaming the Internet video for spontaneous violence. Hillary sits on the sidelines and remains silent. Check out what FactCheck.org has to say about this if you have any questions.

    So please explain how this is all "RW propaganda distortions".
     
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    And most Hillary supporters would not know a truth if it hit them in the face. If they listen to Hillary and expect the truth, who is adverse to the truth?
     
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    Wow, that flew right over your head. I didn't even know where the meme came from until you cited it. What mattered was the material. 1, If you voted for Hillary you should slap yourself, my opinion no need for facts there. 2 Hillary's greatest accomplishment IS avoiding prosecution, a fact if you take into account that if your name isn't fill in the blank elitist that person would be in federal prison for what she did. Be honest, she's a crook.
     
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    Or possibly the truth.
     
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    She has a history of falling & concussions. Not just the one we know about
    that was so severe it resulted in Hard Neurological signs, double vision.
    Even mild concussions with no neurological signs have consequences.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-concussion_syndrome
    Hillary has had repeated falling episodes. Why? Cardiac?
    Meanwhile, emotional and memory problems are associated with Post Concussion Syndrome.
    Her health was an issue to this M.D. ret.
    And not addressed in the campaign. Was Hillary healthy enough for the presidency?
    We can blame Sanders for not bringing this up compared to his own health.
    I'm 69 and have no "old person illnesses". No diabetes, heart, etc. It happens


    But, it isn't.
    Why would you involve RT?
    Just for a cheap shot.
    Or, "If it might have been on RT, it can't be valid" logic?
    Shame on Iriemon!


    BTW I read of Hillary's repeated falls in an American news source around the time of her double vision. A "Hard Neurological Sign", as opposed to soft signs.
    Soft signs are like short term memory problems, depression, emotional liability
    all associated with Post Concussion Syndrome where no hard signs were observed.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-concussion_syndrome
    Heart Failure seems like a primary diagnosis that would fit what we observe.
    Falling. Low stamina.


    Moi, M.D. ret. :oldman:
     
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    Whatever she may have told Eqyptians, and contrary to what you were told by RW propaganda, there was evidence, as found by numerous, official, bipartisan investigations, that video motivated a spontaneous reaction in Benghazi.

    Weeks after the attacks, intelligence reports similarly remarked on the "fragmentary and contradictory reporting about who organized the attack," and that it is "unclear if any group or person exercised overall command and control and if the extremist group leaders directed their members to participate in the attacks or the attackers did so on their own. To this day, significant intelligence gaps regarding the identities, affiliations and motivations of the attackers remain.

    On September 15, the CIA assessed that the attacks were inspired by the September 11 storming of the U.S. Embassy in Cairo. On September 12, the DIA reported that there were no indications of preoperational planning, but that a mix of terrorists attackers "likely leveraged a target of opportunity amidst security vulnerabilities created by protest activity. Weeks afterwards, CIA and NCTC reported that "the attack probably was not specifically planned for 11 September. In total, analysts received 21 reports that a protest occurred in Benghazi-fourteen from the Open Source Center; one from CIA, two from ___, and four from NSA.

    House Permanent Committee on Intelligence, bi-partisan report. p. 25
    http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2014/images/11/21/benghazi.report.pdf

    It remains unclear if any group or person exercised overall command and control of the attacks or whether extremist group leaders directed their members to participate. Some intelligence suggests the attacks were likely put together in short order, following that day's violent protests in Cairo against an inflammatory video, suggesting that these and other terrorist groups could conduct similar attacks with little advance warning.
    Senate Select Intelligence Committee, bi-partisan report, pp 40-41

    http://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/press/benghazi.pdf

    So you want to call that a "lie" even though the fact is that any such statement was supported by evidence? That's your perogative.

    OK, that's 1. You only have about a hundred or so to catch up to don. What's the "lie" by Clinton?
     
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    You sure about that?

    Some samples:

    Calm before storm? Pressure mounts as MSM admits Clinton’s health is ‘campaign issue’
    https://www.rt.com/usa/359021-clinton-pneumonia-msm-health/

    41% of Americans believe Clinton’s health is bad – poll
    https://www.rt.com/usa/359416-clinton-health-bad-poll/

    ‘Hillary Clinton’s health should be media focus, not Trump interview with RT’
    https://www.rt.com/op-edge/359278-obama-putin-rt-trump/

    Sick Clinton can’t be trusted with nukes – Russian nationalist party leader
    https://www.rt.com/news/359117-zhirinovsky-clinton-health-unacceptable/

    Photo of Clinton having trouble with stairs fuels rumors of bad health
    https://www.rt.com/usa/355047-clinton-stairs-health-problem/

    Clinton's supposed bad health was one of those memes pushed by the Russians to influence the election in Trump's favore.

    Russia’s increasingly sophisticated propaganda machinery — including thousands of botnets, teams of paid human “trolls,” and networks of websites and social-media accounts — echoed and amplified right-wing sites across the Internet as they portrayed Clinton as a criminal hiding potentially fatal health problems and preparing to hand control of the nation to a shadowy cabal of global financiers.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...16af66098fe_story.html?utm_term=.cb6a9d236017

    I have no doubt you did. Lots of conservative American sources regularly carried RT.com (and other Russian controlled media) feeds that were negative Clinton spins.
     
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    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Clinton isn't even in the same ballpark and the pathological liar in chief.

    But then, not many presidential candidates politicians are psychopathic serial liars like donald.
     

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