Was the January 6 riot/insurrection defensible?

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Do you condemn, unequivocally, the January 6 riot inside the Capitol?

  1. Yes, with no reservation whatsoever

    43 vote(s)
    72.9%
  2. No, because the rioters were heroically trying to stop the steal

    2 vote(s)
    3.4%
  3. No, because as misguided as they were, their response was understandable

    4 vote(s)
    6.8%
  4. Riot? What riot?

    10 vote(s)
    16.9%
  1. Le Chef

    Le Chef Banned at members request Donor

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    We are debating elsewhere whether there are supporters on this board who support, condone, or forgive the January 6 riot/insurrection. I don't read every post here, but it is my sense that the only point of controversy on the board is the extent of President Trump's complicity or moral responsibility. (I think McConnell has it about right, but I don't think the President had any idea that the nuts would actually force their way into the Capitol, much less cause death or property damage.)

    But let's put the question to ourselves: do we or do we not unequivocally condemn the actual forced entry into the Capitol and all the personal and property loss that followed?
     
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    While I believe that posters' opinions have evolved, there were a number of posters who trivialized the attack on the Capitol, or even supported it.

    McTurtle doesn't go far enough in condemning the attacks, and it's become clearer over time that Trump new about it and was actively involved in planning for it and lying about his involvement. (see the 1/6 committee's last hearing)
     
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    The only reason I could see the posters minimizing or trivializing the attack is that it makes their leader look bad/culpable. This is supposed to be the party of law and order and yet they don't see the real harm to our country from that day. They minimize the attacks on the capitol police that day. They minimize the deaths.
     
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    I agree, but I also think ignorance* of government, history and our traditions plays a role.

    *Or disdain. One poster insists, e.g., that electing our representatives doesn't make us a democratic republic.
     
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    This was a riot, those who took part in it deserve to be punished. But it was no more than that, not an insurrection and sure as hell not Trump's fault.
     
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    Are you effing kidding?

    It was much more than a riot. They attacked the Capitol trying to stop Biden from being certified as President---and the peaceful transition of power is probably the greatest aspect of our system!

    And the facts show that Bonespurs was at the center of the attack on the Capitol. Maybe pay attention and observe facts?

    An exceptionally unreasonable post, Rob.

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    Why are there only 3 votes? Are there cowards afraid to condemn it?
     
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    I'm curious, who are the posters who you say supported it? I can't recall a single poster on this forum supporting the actual riot. I guess it's possible there could be one and I missed it, but to read some of the leftist commentary on this forum it sounds like you think half the forum supported it.
     
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    Using the definition of insurrection — can you define how this even doesn’t classify as one?
     
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    McConnell said Trump caused the riot.
     
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    So did flip-flopping McCarthy. Before his spine fell out.
     
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    Did I claim half of the forum supported it? Of course not. I'm not a histrionic man. Based on my nearly flawless recollection, the number is about 3-4.
     
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    Seems to me that the reverse is also true.
    With so many, many far more destructive riots ignored completely the focus on this particular one seems somewhat insane.
    Partisan opportunity. They focus on this one simply because there were no other right wing riots.
    Unlike left wing riots which have been daily occurrences for a number of years and hence not even newsworthy. But more relevantly to this post, condoned by the left who support the ideal of the people behind them.

    The politically motivated attempt to attribute this riot directly to Trump makes discussing the issue of riots and civil order too loaded.
    It's pretty pathetic stuff and I think most people recognise it as such.


    Why don't more people come out and condemn these actions?

    Because you are trying to make trivial political capital out of them.
     
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    It was a riot, pure and simple and the facts show Trump told his supporters to "peacefully and patriotically make their voices heard", stop throwing snowballs at the sun
     
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    If Trump didn't realize they were going to do what they did he is even stupider than he appears, which I submit is simply not possible.

    The evidence is out and is clear. Trump knew everything that was going on and was trying to overthrow our government with a coup. He deserves the harshest punishment possible.
     
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    Nobody on the left condones riots but even less do we condone the cause like the RW does. Many people DO condemn Trump and the Trumpers but it can be hard for us to disagree with so many Republican Congresspersons

    Perhaps we have finally come to the realization that only one Party in our politics actually has our interests at heart. Hopefully, November will reflect this.
     
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    Mocking a person's physical appearance is unkind at best.
     
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    No, Rob. That's well beyond a reasonable conclusion. Really, you need to be much better informed. A network of shambling, knuckledragging idiots followed the instructions of the "presuhdint" and attacked the Capitol. The plan was to give the Orange Dimwit an excuse to declare martial law and attempt to use the powers (arguably) given to him under these circumstances to stay in office.

    Terribly unreasonable, Rob.
     
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    Hmm... how was the Capitol attacked? Was there an armed group of folks shooting folks there? (I mean, besides the capitol police LT who shot the unarmed women)... Was it like when ANTIFA/BLM established CHAZ? Like when they actively engaged in insurrection?? Like that?

    So, when Nancy and Chuck invited their camera crews into their offices to "film" the horror, and Nancy didn't act to "defend" the capitol. doesn't it smack you as slightly disingenuous then to call what occurred an "attack" let alone an insurrection. I hate to abuse you of your favorite self affirming fantasy, but y'all have to stop with this BS.
     
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    I'll have to live with the shame of describing Mitch as looking like a turtle.

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    Good logic, "doctor"! I guess breaking into the Capitol to deliberately interfere with the certification process wasn't an attack. Oh, and Nancy was "in charge" of security, too!

    Wow, what an informative post!
     
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    The Republicans aren't for Law, Order or any other thing but hate. These people are haters first, last and foremost and it's the only thing that really matters to them. The country can be falling apart and as long as we're still bashing somebody we're in good shape by their lights.
     
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    Trump did indeed tell his followers exactly that and nothing else that wasn't violent, no more than six words at the end of almost an hour of the most incendiary rhetoric imaginable. Does the "Cover Your Ass" have any meaning to you?
     
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    You can't he proud of mocking an old man's physical appearance.
     
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    I told you how ashamed I feel about that. *sad face*
     

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