Was the January 6 riot/insurrection defensible?

Discussion in 'Opinion POLLS' started by Le Chef, Oct 16, 2022.

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Do you condemn, unequivocally, the January 6 riot inside the Capitol?

  1. Yes, with no reservation whatsoever

    43 vote(s)
    72.9%
  2. No, because the rioters were heroically trying to stop the steal

    2 vote(s)
    3.4%
  3. No, because as misguided as they were, their response was understandable

    4 vote(s)
    6.8%
  4. Riot? What riot?

    10 vote(s)
    16.9%
  1. Nemesis

    Nemesis Well-Known Member

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    They were just being silly. HAWHAWHAW!
     
  2. Nemesis

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  3. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    I prefer "your grace" though "Yer Lawdship" has a nice comic touch if pronounced right

    What are the legal obligations of the POTUS?




    Y
     
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    Not sure what legal duty Bonespurs had to act, but a prosecutor could use his inaction as evidence of his plan to interfere with the Senate's performance of its function in certifying he vote. It's also scummy and demonstrates what a POS he is.
     
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    DEFinning Well-Known Member Donor

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    Well you are wrong, again. But our each, merely making opposing assertions, gets us nowhere. So here is an actual poll on the question:

    https://poll.qu.edu/poll-release?releaseid=3850


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    June 22, 2022

    64% Think The January 6 Attack On The Capitol Was Planned, Quinnipiac University National Poll Finds;...

    With the House select committee examining the attack on the U.S. Capitol on January 6, 2021, Americans, 64 - 30 percent, say that the attack was planned rather than spontaneous, according to a Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pea-ack) University national poll of adults released today.

    Democrats say 84 - 13 percent and independents say 61 - 30 percent that the attack was planned. Republicans are divided, with 49 percent saying it was planned and 46 percent saying it was spontaneous.

    A majority of Americans (58 percent) say they are following news about the work of the January 6 congressional committee very closely (26 percent) or somewhat closely (32 percent) and 41 percent say they are following news about the work of the committee not so closely (17 percent) or not closely at all (24 percent).

    Americans are split about whether or not they think former President Donald Trump committed a crime with his efforts to change the results of the 2020 presidential election, with 46 percent saying he did commit a crime and 47 percent saying he did not commit a crime. The results are essentially unchanged from an April 6, 2022 Quinnipiac University poll.

    Nearly 6 in 10 Americans think former President Trump bears a lot (41 percent) or some (18 percent) of the responsibility for the storming of the U.S. Capitol on January 6, 2021, while 39 percent say he bears not much of the responsibility (14 percent) or none at all (25 percent). The results are mostly unchanged from a January 12, 2022 Quinnipiac University poll.

    Among Republicans, 69 percent say Trump bears not much of the responsibility (25 percent) or none at all (44 percent). Among Democrats, 92 percent say Trump bears a lot (77 percent) or some (15 percent) of the responsibilit

    "Yes, the January 6 attack was planned, say more than 60 percent of Americans, and a majority say yes, former President Trump bears a measure of responsibility for the calamity that ensued. But criminal charges for Trump? It's a toss-up. There is no consensus
    said Quinnipiac University Polling Analyst Tim Malloy
    Americans were asked whether they are more.,"y.l.l.).s.y.ebs2
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    So now we know: I was right, and you were wrong. Are you now going to be consistent, and consider your own view to be a conspiracy theory (which is probably mistaken), as you had described my opinion, when you were mischaracterizing it, as a minority view? Or are you going to out yourself, as a hypocrite, who has different rules for himself, than he does for other people?
     
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  6. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Please, just stop.

    You are insulting your OWN intelligence here.
     
  7. Natty Bumpo

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    There is no need to exaggerate the Trump goon attack on Congress.

    Such an attempt to thwart the democratic process is without precedent, and ended the nation's proud tradition of peaceful transfers of power that had distinguished the U.S since its inception, 1789-2021.

    That is the patriotic, bipartisan position.


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    No riot is defensible. Riots always turn into burning, violence, injury and killings. Although quite a lot of people think there’s good riots and bad riots.
     
  9. Le Chef

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    [/QUOTE]

    It was a clownish, low level disturbance with no firearms to speak of, no planning, no organization, and most importantly, no coordination with any branch of the military.

    A child could see at a glance that it was a silly tempest in a teacup, and it continues to be so.
     
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    Did you bother to read the whole article you cited? Desantis has a much more accurate take on it than McConnell. He says in the same article:
     
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    The hundreds of Trump goon identified, apprehended, indicted, and prosecuted underscore the absurdity of your ideologically-induced denial, pretending that it was merely an innocuous tantrum by harmless, disgruntled losers.

    You may wish to familiarize yourself with the insipid event, and the legal ramifications for the Trump goons:


     
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    Where was DeSantis during the Trump goon attack?

    Where was McConnell?

    In the aftermath of the attack, DeSantis issued a statement condemning the violence which occurred that day while praising law enforcement's attempts to protect the Capitol building from the Trump goons.


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    "Violence or rioting of any kind is unacceptable and the perpetrators
    must face the full weight of the law...
    The Capitol Police do an admirable job and I thank them for their hard work...
    It was totally unacceptable and those folks need to be held accountable"

    [https://www.newsweek.com/what-ron-desantis-said-jan6-donald-trump-1718947]
     
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    I see nothing in the quote from desantis condemning and blaming Trump for the 1/6 riots. Did you have a point?
     
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    I'm still waiting for you to explain why you imagine that " Desantis has a much more accurate take on it than McConnell," when McConnell was there, and DeSantis wasn't.

    DeSantis repeats McConnell's sentiment when he says, "It was totally unacceptable and those folks need to be held accountable."

    I agree.
     
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    One, correctly, points to the rioters being held accountable while the other jumped on the bandwagon of going after Trump. Which one do you think presents a more reasonable viewpoint of what happened on 1/6?
     
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    They are being prosecuted because it was illegal, not because they presented any danger to the Republic.

    I don't know how it shakes out statistically, but it appears that most were charged with unlawful parading, assault and disorderly conduct.

    https://www.insider.com/capitol-rioters-who-pleaded-guilty-updated-list-2021-5

    Very small potatoes.

    Obviously I support a stiff penalty for anyone convicted of insurrection or treason. But how many of those are there? What percentage of the mob was so charged? What weapons did they have? What danger to the Republic did they really pose?
     
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    Please support your opinion that "the other jumped on the bandwagon of going after Trump."

    You are making that up.
     
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    Your need to minimize the significance of the violent attack on outnumbered police defending American democracy against a mob of goons that swallowed a Loser's lies is transparent. The documented evidence exposes it. E.g.,







    These lowlifes cannot escape justice. What was Trump doing during the 3 hours + that he was m.i.a.?
     
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    :roll: What do you think it means to criticize someone?
     
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    That depends upon whether there is justification for criticism, of course.
     
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    *sigh* Whatever.
     
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    Nobody in it's right mind would think that this riot would happen if Trump conceded that he indeed lost the presidential elections after carefully reviewing all the votes and going through all legal means in an attempt to win. But he kept flat out lying to who ever wanted to hear that he was cheated out of winning, and that motivated those people to riot. Hence Trump most deffo is the one who ignited the violence, and it is is all his fault.
     
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    There are a some posters here who downtalk what went on, all the way of being invited in by the cops to take a selfy.
     
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    Such resignation is to be expected.

    No Republican anywhere in the nation, however ravaged by TDS, has been able to contrive a single suspect - let alone prosecutable evidence of an airy-fairy stolen "Landslide!" - during the two years they have clung to the "Big Lie" spewed by the Cry Baby Loser devoid of the moral fiber and patriotic fervor to accept the will of the People.

    Publicly maintaining such an irrational belief must be embarrassing.
     
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    Yea, whatever.
     
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