WATCH LIVE: Public Impeachment Hearings (Vindman/Williams)

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  1. vman12

    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How many people did Vindman and Schiff name during this that were not on the call.
     
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    US Conservative Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Lol at the MSM...
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm glad he did that.

    I could feel some General's forehead veins throbbing from here.

    This guy is screwed.
     
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    We know it's a coup, there's that much.
     
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    BuckyBadger Well-Known Member

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    That it is, that it is.
     
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    US Conservative Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Parscale comments...
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    Liberal porn.
     
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    Volker admits he was wrong to view Biden and Burisma separately
    From CNN's Kylie Atwood

    Kurt Volker told lawmakers that he drew a “sharp distinction” between Burisma and Biden, but admits that he was wrong to view them separately.

    “In hindsight, I now understand that others saw the idea of investigating possible corruption involving the Ukrainian company, “Burisma,” as equivalent to investigating former Vice President Biden. I saw them as very different. The former being appropriate and unremarkable, the latter being unacceptable,” Volker said in his opening statement. “In retrospect, I should have seen that connection differently, and had I done so, I would have raised my own objections.”

    ... https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/impeachment-hearing-11-19-19/index.html
     
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    I like the use of "we." Who gives you your opinions? Besides Trump, that is.
     
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    Some of them are formed listening to people like you.
     
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    Vindman laid a path to the, "leaks."




     
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    Esperance Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Volker is correct.

    The money trail leads through Cyprus.

    Burisma and Biden are both linked to the Koch-Glitsch Italia deal.
     
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    how lame can the trumpeters get?? Decorated veterans and life long government ambassadors and diplomats testify that trump was being corrupt and some believe the president that has lied more than any president in history

    these decorated veterans and diplomats have so much integrity they will only testify to the facts

    they do not make assumptions of innocence or guilt

    now that is integrity

    thankfully there are still honest Americans
     
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    He did and now this should actually be a matter for the FBI and for the DOJ. Obviously he lied so who did he coordinate with and leak to to get here?

    Schiff?
     
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    Kinda outed himself as the leaker.
     
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    https://www.lawfareblog.com/role-omb-withholding-ukrainian-aid



    "
    In particular, 31 U.S.C § 1512(c)(1) states that OMB can use its apportionment or reapportionment power only:

    (A) to provide for contingencies;

    (B) to achieve savings made possible by or through changes in requirements or greater efficiency of operations; or

    (C) as specifically provided by law.

    Thus, OMB is limited to requiring an agency to provide details on how it plans to spend its apportioned funds. This could entail asking an agency to write a specific timeline; detail activities, projects or objectives; or require the agency to reserve money as contingency funds for other operations linked to that overall initiative.

    The 1974 Congressional Budget and Impoundment Control Act (ICA)—written in the wake of President Nixon’s attempt to exert greater control over the budget—extends this reasoning to OMB’s deferral power, or the ability to withhold congressionally mandated money from an executive agency for a period of time. As a routine matter, these types of deferrals do not last longer than 45 days. 2 U.S.C § 682(1), defines a “deferral” as:

    (A) withholding or delaying the obligation or expenditure of budget authority (whether by establishing reserves or otherwise) provided for projects or activities; or

    (B) any other type of Executive action or inaction which effectively precludes the obligation or expenditure of budget authority, including authority to obligate by contract in advance of appropriations as specifically authorized by law

    Part of the ICA (2 U.S.C § 684) mirrors 31 U.S.C § 1512 and states that, like apportionments, “deferrals shall be permissible only:”

    (1) to provide for contingencies;

    (2) to achieve savings made possible by or through changes in requirements or greater efficiency of operations; or

    (3) as specifically provided by law.

    This section also clearly states that “[n]o officer or employee of the United States may defer any budget authority for any other purpose.”

    If OMB believes that all or part of a budget is not required to resource a program or if the president decides that a program is no longer in the best interests of the United States, the ICA requires the White House to write a message to Congress (2 U.S.C. § 683(a)) stating:

    (1) the amount of budget authority which he proposes to be rescinded or which is to be so reserved;

    (2) any account, department, or establishment of the Government to which such budget authority is available for obligation, and the specific project or governmental functions involved;

    (3) the reasons why the budget authority should be rescinded or is to be so reserved;

    (4) to the maximum extent practicable, the estimated fiscal, economic, and budgetary effect of the proposed rescission or of the reservation; and

    (5) all facts, circumstances, and considerations relating to or bearing upon the proposed rescission or the reservation and the decision to effect the proposed rescission or the reservation, and to the maximum extent practicable, the estimated effect of the proposed rescission or the reservation upon the objects, purposes, and programs for which the budget authority is provided."
     
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    Is your last name Jackson?
     
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    And all those honest Americans voted for Hillary because integrity is all important to them.
     
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    Additionally, thanks to Morrison's testimony, we know that the phone call transcript was confirmed classified information.

    I mean we knew that before, but he confirmed how it was done.

    This means Vindman leaked classified info to Ciaramella....who worked in the "intelligence" community.

    This means both Vindman and Ciaramella knew what they were doing with the classified document, and knew that it was illegal.
     
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    Coordinated effort to undermine the United States of America. They need to be arrested and indicted.
     
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    David Berkowitz was also a decorated veteran.
     
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    Another example of trumpeters lack of shame

    Comparing these witnesses to a serial killer

    kinda sad
     
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    Isn't that conspiracy?
     
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    Benedict Arnold too.
     
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    Excellent summary. Vindman has admitted his objection to the call was based on policy differences, not any legal basis.
     
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