WATCH: Phoenix Cops Kill Man after Responding to Noise Complaint over Video Game

I live in a small town, but the police stand in front of my door when they knock. I dunno if thats because they already know me well enough to know Im not a threat to them, because they arent trained properly, or because they know how they would react if someone knocked on their door and then hid...

At some point cops are going to have to say 'we'll accept this incerased risk in the interest of better public interaction' or they're going to lose the public.

 

If you call opening a door slowly and trying to assess a situation as "charging". He left the gun by his side (which is the proper way to hold it until ready to shoot) and lowered himself to the ground to put it down.

No wonder the cops get away with maiming and killing people.

 

It is because they know you. It is STANDARD PROCEDURE to not stand in front of anything you cannot see behind. Have you ever noticed that police officers never sit with their backs to a door in restaurants? It's so they can see all around them at all times.

It is not a matter of "accepting risk". An officer can lose their job for taking such risks. Every officer has to depend on his partner having his back. One bold enough to break procedure that way is too big a risk to have on the force. That policy has kept many officers alive to see another day.

 

If you are passionate about this issue and this case you should go out and organize protest. I am sure others would join you.

 

I foresee that policy protecting cops all the way to the defunding of their departments unless they can find enough flexibility in it to avoid stuff like this.

 

It's standard procedure to move to the sides of the door because shots come through it often enough. The war on police makes the whole country worse off.

 

The US police are like the Nazi Gestapo. Only even more cruel and bloodthirsty than the Gestapo. Therefore, for police officers, killing a person is like blowing your nose.
But we also must not forget that we live in a capitalist society, that is, everything is for sale. Money at any cost. Given all this, we can assume that the police may have taken the order to eliminate the person.

 

The calls to defund the police are mostly just posturing. We would revert to the Wild West without law enforcement. With that said, I believe there should be some kind of independent oversight agency to truly investigate matters involving the police. Nobody is policing the police and, more often than not, their target does not have the means to seek the services of private investigators and/or a lengthy court case (assuming they could find an attorney willing to help).

 

I think that was just a flashlight.

 

OK. I rewatched it and stand corrected. He (the non shooter) didn't draw his weapon for several seconds after the door was opened. Thank you.

 

Sadly, as you know, these kind of incidents are mostly ignored by supporters of the NRA. I, personally, knew 5 people that would be alive today had there not been weapons in their respective homes.

I'm not saying that everyone should be disarmed, but the current system is clearly NOT working for the police or citizens.

 

I have satellite internet. I pay for the internet service by the GB. I have a limit after which my service slows down a lot. Videos eat bandwidth like crazy. I barely get to the end of the month within my limit. If I watched internet videos I wouldn't last a week. Since I make my living on the internet getting slowed down can become expensive. One of the few negatives of rural living. The other one is the lack of natural gas availability. Those two issues wouldn't come close to motivating me to live in a population center.

 

Too much work. I just respond to the text. I only bring up the metered internet when someone scolds me for not watching the video. Fairly rare occurrence.

 

Thanks for the explanation.

I hope that the following source helps clarify what the video shows:

"It started as a noise complaint. It ended in another fatal Phoenix police shooting"
https://www.azcentral.com/story/new...tal-police-shooting-ryan-whitaker/5459142002/

 

I think that the dishonest 911 caller should be held accountable for misrepresenting the situation just so that the police would arrive on the scene sooner but I wouldn't characterize this shooting as "murder" based on the evidence that I've seen and read so far.

 

They did not "just do their jobs," they responded with undue force. I don't give a damn what color the guy was, cops should not be shooting people in the back, period. When did our police become such scared little sissies? In gun-friendly states, they should expect us to be armed. If they came to my door late at night, I'm definitely going to have my gun in my hand, ready to use it until I know otherwise.

Did this man open the door before or after they identified themselves as police? If he knew it was cops when he opened the door, he should have put the gun down first. I would have shouted through the closed door that I was doing so before opening and showing empty hands.

Stupidity all the way around. Deep condolences to his family, especially the girlfriend who had to witness such a thing. At the least, they should pay the therapist she's going to need.

 

Wow. You must be watching a different video than I saw.

But whatever.

 

So, why respond? How is someone lowering himself to the ground anywhere close to "charging" anybody? It's not.

 

Sequence of events.

1. He opens the door and immediately charges out.

2. He moves the gun to behind his back when seeing its a cop.

3. As they yell at him to drop it, he starts to quickly move the gun from his back to his side, apparently to set it on the ground.

His actions were 100% aggressive, and absolutely would make me as the officer feel that my life was threatened.

The man acted irrationally, opened the door and charged out holding and attempting to conceal a gun, and moved the gun and his body around in what could be perceived as threatening.

Even if it wasn't the cops, how he handled that situation is wrong.

But hey, it gives the Monday Morning Quarterback cop haters the ability to scream cops are bad, so lets ignore the man's actions.

 

It's best to not even answer.

 

NEVER open a door if you don't know what's on the other side. Doorbell cams cost a whole lot less than most quality pistols and talking to a closed-door scares the living piss out of most of those intruders who wouldn't just take the gun away and shoot you with it.

I see this in movies all the time. Some unknown knocks and the resident just opens right up and stands foursquare in the doorway. That gets to me almost as much as the fact that these people just stumble about in dark houses even after they've heard something and are going to investigate. I turn on half my lights just to take a piss. What is the matter with these people?

Mind, I'm NOT blaming this guy for being shot. Cops are just too damned trigger happy nowadays

 

1. How did he "charge" out. He opened the door and took one small step forward. He was so far inside that he didn't even see the cop to his left.

2/3. He was lowering himself to put the gun down on the floor.

I don't see how his actions can be deemed "aggressive".

All any of us can do is look at this as third parties. However, I suspect there is more to this incident than is being released.

And, I am not a cop hater at all. I just don't blindly rationalize everything they do.

 

I'm a former LEO. Half of my family are retired or current LEOs. My father is a retired Chicago cop. He would question all of us if we were expecting anybody if there was a knock or bell ring at the door. As kids, we thought he was being way OVER THE TOP. Now, as an adult with a family of my own, I "get" it. Sadly, he lost some partners along the way and you can't help but wonder if they had done one little thing differently....You never know.

Tomorrow is not promised to any of us. I'm grateful to all the officers that suit up and do their jobs well. Unfortunately, there are some that don't and those are the ones that need to be not only ousted but charged according to the full extent of the law.

 

If you were that cop, in that situation, as quick as that happened, you wouldn't have the luxury of watching the situation form multiple angles numerous times.

I dont think it blindly rationalizing. I think its far worse to play Monday morning quarterback not being in the same situation.

 

I am a former LEO and I fully admit that I probably would have responded the same way if I thought my partner's life or mine was in imminent danger. That's what being a cop is - making split second judgments in the heat of the moment at risk of one's own life or the life of their partner. That man and those two cops only had several minutes to assess their respective situations and act according to what they thought was best.

It is VERY EASY to...

• sit on the sidelines and play Monday morning quarterback.
• watch and rewatch and try to understand what actually happened.
• post on a message board one's opinion of how it could have been handled differently.

At the end of the day, the officers' supervisors will assess the situation to determine if they acted according to proper protocol and procedures.
Those officers will have to suit up and go back out there (assuming they are cleared for duty) and risk their lives again to keep the people of Phoenix served and protected. Their lives are forever changed no matter what happens with their careers. And, that man's family's lives are also forever changed because of his death.

All we can do is hope this is handled well and fairly and all of those involved can eventually find some kind of peace.