Watching the Libs Imploding

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  1. Gwendoline

    Gwendoline Well-Known Member

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    Everything Morrison touches turns to crud. Hard to believe he was ever in marketing. Every trick he tries to turn... turns on him.

    Given the daily implosions, perhaps the federal election will come sooner, around March, with the state election going later. God knows Gladys would be staring daggers at Morrison while having her own implosions.

    Waiting to hear Morrison will dress up as Cook and stand on deck and sail around the place. Great strategy, Morrison (!!)
     
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    Nah, I think Gladdie is actually doing enough imploding on her own... Her saviour is lack of opposition in NSW. She may well get kicked anyway but there are some serious problems all round.
     
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    One thing he hasn’t tried...... authenticity.
     
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    And policies, leadership.
     
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    The saying "Absolute power corrupts absolutely", is appropriate here. For so long we had two major parties taking turns. They were on a good wicket. If a policy worked in the future under the now opposition, great take a bow, if it falls, blame the current government.

    Some people bailed out and went as independents, others started minor parties. Those with strong views joined in, even a fish shop owner.

    They all though clung to this opinion, of one set of rules for them. Perfect example is Barnaby trying to change the rules about employing spouses.

    It's not what about what is best, it's because his new wife doesn't want to become his other old wife, as he attempts to increase the population of Australia. Single handed.

    It's epidemic in politics, just some are worse than others at different times.

    The answer? Buggered if I know.
     
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    A hard thing to manufacture, huh?
     
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  7. Gwendoline

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    It seems to be a lot about their personal egos these days - and not about the Australian people they're supposed to represent. As though the Australian people are just an afterthought in their loopy schemes/agendas. Do we get the governments we deserve? Are they a reflection of the Australian community? I don't think so, or maybe they are in part. But I'm so tired of their ridiculous sense of entitlement and puffing themselves up and their belligerent ripping up and destroying of the social fabric of this country - for one thing. But maybe Australian complacency allows them to do what they like without much/any impunity. Australians are hardly the major kind of rioters. Perhaps we do get the governments we deserve, I don't know...
     
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    Yes. It has been Shorten’s achilles heel the whole time. Now Morrison’s.

    Who would of thought that you could find another politician with as bad, if not worse, authenticity issues than Back Door Billy.

    We are in a state of bother aren’t we?

    I liken it to travelling all day without food. You are so hungry that you must have something to eat. So you stop at the only resteraunt for days. You look at the menu and there is only two dishes to choose from:

    1. Turd Pie with a side of belly ache
    2. Spew Soup with Crusty grub roll.

    Mmmmm! Tuck in
     
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    Those two choices are only disgusting, I am sure it is not something that would cause as much damage as picking the wrong person would.

    There really isn't anyone that I could honestly say would make a good leader. I do know that ShowMo isn't.

    The leader though is one small part of a complete reassessment of who we are, what we want, and what we are willing to sacrifice to achieve it.

    Yes sacrifice, if you want a particularly good holiday, you may say you will sacrifice the wine club to achieve it.

    What are YOU willing to sacrifice for a better country/world?
     
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    The thing with Shorten, though, is that he scrubs up well at the town hall meetings he's been conducting around the country. Also, hats off to him for an extraordinary amount of meeting the people and answering their questions at these town hall meetings. Morrison wouldn't have the guts or the courage to do the same. So that's one major distinction between them. I went to a Shorten town hall meeting and he came across as authentic. I think he's a lot different in public. A lot. But I also get where you're coming from, too. Some previous Labor governments have disappointed me to despair. Particularly Rudd. Couldn't stand him. Yeah, the menu has been pretty bad for a long while, you're right about that.
     
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    You see I think the leader has a massive implication on outcome. Under our system it should’nt BUT because we have become so Americanised the public believe it is a similar system with similar powers. As we all know, it is not. However these weak parties are bowing to the external pressures placed upon them by both media and public. Their response is policy on the run, and populist politics.

    The removal of Turnbull, Abbott, Rudd, and Gillard under our system is merely internal workings if what you say is correct and that the leader is but a small part. So how come governments were lost or severly damaged by mere internal shuffling?

    It is because we the public fed by an unscrupulous media,have no idea about our political system and how it works. Too much West Wing and not enough Question Time.

    Both Libs and Labor before them have had issues with leaders credibility and this has had a cascading effect on policy direction.
     
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    I am sure he is different away from the cameras, most are.

    Funny thing I have noticed over the years, you rarely see politicians holding hall meetings in hostile electorates. Usually they are in either strong holds or marginals.

    Gwendoline I hope Shorten lives up to your hopes, the country needs him to. Morrison has had his chance to prove what and who he is, and unfortunately for him he has come up short.

    I don’t share your view of Bill Shorten however, but I am truly at a loss for a better candidate. I have never been more fearful of our immediate future than I am currently.
     
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    The problem with the previous changes was there was no person who was a leader. The closest one was Gillard. She had some thing you don't associate with women and the men didn't. Balls.

    We still need to find a true leader, they don't need to have policies, but they need a dream. Something to aspire to and they need to be able to pass that dream on.

    Nothing good will ever be achieved if we keep splitting into smaller and smaller self interest groups.

    We need to get rid of the spoilers whose sole intent is to cause kaos.

    The Prime Minister's main role is to the people his role in the party should be secondary. Most of all ,the leader should inspire.
     
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    I am sue we had this conversation years ago in an old thread LRL. Sadly here we are again. You were another person then lol.

    I will give Step Tread Gillard her dues, she did try to push some kind of policy agenda, but she was of much more use as a ladder rung for a man on a power hunt. Soon that upstanding low life will lead the country. Two assasinations under his belt, I wonder if Gwendoline asked Julia if Back Door Billy was genuine or not, what her answer would be?

    Dreamers, well I think they are only a dream these days
     
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    Very true, we need something outside the square in my opinion, an imagination would be be a better word than dreamer, without imagination we just see different visions of the same thing.
     
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    Hold up a wee bit. I am not enamored with Bill. Labor disappoints me and has done so for a long time. I'm about all out of hope. If they don't hit the ground running when they get in and fix a lot of stuff, I'll disown them and curse them for good. But I mean, what options have we got right now? For me, I want to know if Labor will have a backbone and some tenacity to really fix things or is it going to buckle and cower to rich folk and racists and the like. No one's hit the ground running in a big way since Gough Whitlam... and ****, that was a long time ago! So yeah, I reckon I despair some.
     
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    It would be good to have a leader who is a decent person. Strike out the last long lot of PMs excluding Gillard. I agree about leaders being inspiring. But we seem to be at the extreme other end. If they lead with their decency and don't split off their decency to do the job, that would work for me. (!) Morrison claims to separate his religion from the job - as a way no doubt to explain why he's such a mean ******** in the job - but he is a mean ******** religiously and in the job. All this compartmentalising and excuses for why they're ********s, I'm so sick of. Feels so timely for the true leader you talk about. That thing about having a dream and about being inspiring is maybe in some part to do with having a particular kind of strength. And faith. (not religiously but faith in people) And generosity. What a welcome change it'd be from the visionless, nasty, self-obsessed toddlers we have now.
     
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    Gwendoline it is good to see you back on the forum. If you have been here for a while I have missed you. :)
     
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    Thank you, Alexa. I took a long break from the forum. I'm so glad you are here. :)
     
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    Labor have the job ahead of them when they win the election but I'm going to back them in. And good to see you back Gwendoline, hope the break was refreshing :)
     
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    In marketing? I wouldn't be surprised.




    There's a Dilbert episode called "The Competition".
    (Basically he finally gets a job at a company where everything is like a utopia, finds out they do not nor have ever had a marketing department, and inadvertently makes a comment that is wrongly interpreted by his boss that they should have a marketing department. This of course leads to the company self-destructing in short order.)
     
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    Very similar to British politics. May and Scomo are so atrocious that Corbyn and Shorten must be running their hands in glee. I'm sure they never could have imagined having this sort of luck in their wildest dreams.
     
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    All you can say about our recent leaders is “at least they were not Trump” :p

    Welcome back Gwenny
     
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    Sorry to crash the Shorten party... (I'm a swing voter btw so undecided) but... Shorten is surrounded by these amazing and strong women like Penny Wong and Tanya Pilbersek.... cringing to say this... but to me he kinda disappears among them....
     
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    I wonder, in the future, will the Labor party have quotas for male representation?

    It is ironic don’t you think, that the “Labor” party has called itself “the party for women”
     

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