'We can't vaccinate the planet every 4 to 6 months,' vaccine creator warns: Live COVID updates

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  1. MJ Davies

    MJ Davies Well-Known Member

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    Well, then that means you care who gets it or not.

    Your position is that people should get vaccinated.
    Their position is they should not.

    So, anything they do that leads to changing someone's mind about getting the vaccines is counterproductive to your position. Otherwise, it wouldn't bother you.

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    This is the same concept behind Roe v. Wade.

    Pro-choice but against people offering information about and/or completing abortions.

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    This is the same concept behind 2A

    Pro-2A but against the open sale of firearms to any person of age without a specific criminal history.

    or

    Pro-2A but for the public receiving incentives for relinquishing their weapons.
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    nope, I care about those spreading fake news about vaccines

    I think everyone should get the vaccine, and recommend it, but it's their body, their life.... and I am pro-choice

    "Pro-2A but against the open sale of firearms to any person of age without a specific criminal history."

    yep, I think the 2A applies to everyone, even ex-felons
     
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  3. MJ Davies

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    OK. I'll try again.

    About 20 years ago, one of our neighbors suggested that our baby should be born via Cesarean section. Her position was "it's there for the mother's convenience." Neither of us understood how slicing a woman's abdomen is "convenient" but anyway.

    If our society was designed in such a way that Cesarean births were the "norm" and vaginal birth was an alternative, anything any pregnant person was considering OUTSIDE of Cesarean births would be met with scorn. Therefore, anybody selling anything outside C-births would be counter the mainstream school of thought.

    So, your argument would be that pregnant people can have their baby however they want, you just don't want anybody giving them information about anything other than C-births. By wanting to silence them, you are placing a judgment on their rights to Freedom of Speech and freedom of opinion.

    I know that your political position doesn't align with many of the conversative views expressed on the forum but your position on this matter is exactly their platform - removing someone else's rights simply because you think they are wrong. You can't make that choice for others and it's not right to remove their opportunities to make the choices they deem most appropriate for their own lives.
     
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    Vyzr mask? Sure. Cloth mask or even surgical style n95 masks?

    Nope
     
  5. gfm7175

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    Yes, it is. It is Democrats who are enacting the polices that are causing the widespread shortages and delays and inflation that you are seeing. If you don't like the shortages/delays/inflation, then vote Republican. Plain and simple.

    Nope. Masks do not stop viruses. Masks do not stop or slow transmission of viruses. Masks are utterly useless when it comes to viruses. Their pores are far too large, you see, and viruses are far too small. It doesn't matter which mask you wear or how well you wear it.

    Doesn't matter. See above.

    Panties "protect" just as well as any other mask does, which is not at all.

    I've prepped for what FJB and his handlers are causing. It's going to get REALLY ugly... You can thank the Democrats in government and their Satanic ways. FJB! Let's go Brandon!
     
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    Why do you have a problem with people stating they are antivax?
     
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  8. apexofpurple

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    Anti-masker Logic: It doesn't matter which tool you use or how you use it.
    >uses socket wrench to shave, face still scruffy, socket wrenches dont work
    >uses duct tape to cook steak, steak still raw, duct tape doesnt work
    >uses kerosene to wash car, paint peels off, kerosene doesnt work
     
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    It doesn't matter which mask you use or how you use it, masks do not stop or prevent the spread of viruses. Their pores are too large and viruses are too small.

    Socket wrenches aren't for shaving, just like masks aren't for stopping viruses. Both items work for their intended purposes.

    Duct tape isn't for cooking, just like masks aren't for stopping viruses. Both items work for their intended purposes.

    Kerosene isn't for washing cars, just like masks aren't for stopping viruses. Both items work for their intended purposes.
     
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    Exceptionally stupid post.
     
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  11. apexofpurple

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    Straight up Qtard misunderstanding. Why has not every single doctor and nurse working the COVID shifts not caught COVID? They're in and our of rooms saturated with the virus for 12+ hour shifts almost every day of the week and yet they're not all sick themselves.
     
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    As far as is known you WILL eventually get COVID. If you are vaccinated you will not get nearly as sick (if at all) and you are far, far less likely to require hospitalisation than if you are vaccinated. By not getting vaccinated you are selfishly taking resources from people who need them. I would have no problem with people refusing vaccination if there was some way of having a legally enforceable agreement whereby vaccine refusers promised to NEVER use hospital resources for COVID purposes but there is none that I know of and few if any hospitals would enforce them

    Please don't use the obese/smokers argument to counter this, as it is the very epitome of a false equivalence and you should know better
     
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  13. MJ Davies

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    Every person in every hospital for every reason is using a spot that someone else might need.

    And, obesity, smoking, drug and/or alcohol abuse and other self-inflicted conditions are typically due to someone's recklessness. The only difference is COVID is affecting every person in some way and traveling all around the world. However, there have also been more resources allocated for COVID to try to meet the demand.

    Those of us that work and pay taxes or did at one time pay for the uninsured already. It's built int actuarial tables.
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    What you don't understand apparently is that many of those who refuse the shot are aware of the role their own immune system plays, and supplement and strengthen the immune system. They are smart enough to realize they do not need a pharmaceutical intervention to protect them from a cold virus.
     
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    Most Australians are completely okay with life locked up, it’s literally in their blood
     
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    Cute name, but the misunderstanding of science (specifically virology and immunology) is yours.

    Because some doctors and nurses have very well functioning innate immune systems compared to other doctors and nurses.

    ... because they have immune systems. Exposure to it leads to developing immunity to it (and allows the adaptive immune system to better respond to future exposure).

    Immune systems exist.
     
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    I am just going to predict that your infection rates are going to explode. As the evidence and data show that current variants aren't deterred by or stopped by any of the vaccinations. In the US, Omicron is running like wild fire amongst the vaccinated. The question is going to really be, the amount of effort to create an "anti viral" that is effective against a now mostly non lethal infection seems a preposterous waste of time.

    In another thread, someone asked the question, does god want you to become infected.. The answer may well be yes. So you develop the necessary natural immunity to this line of disease.
     
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    Infection rates are not as important as hospitalisation and admissions to icu

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03...spreads-in-australia/12060704#hospitalisation

    If you look at the first chart you can see the impact that although hospitalisationrates have risen with the surge of cases we are seeing, the icu admissions have not risen

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    So nurses and doctors are super-humans. They can go into COVID saturated rooms all day every day and never get sick and the reason isn't because they wear the proper PPE but because they have Jedi immune systems. Got it.
     
  22. gfm7175

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    They're humans like everyone else, but their constant exposure means that their adaptive immune systems are well versed for fighting off the viruses that they are exposed to each and every day. That's how immune systems work. Masks do not stop viruses.
     
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    They're getting it, but they're not all constantly getting sick. Everyone else is getting it, getting sick, and getting it again. So those docs and nurses simply must be Jedi s because, contrary to the rest of us with our normal immune systems, they're not getting sick at a record pace when they should be considering they work in an environment that has as much COVID in the air as it does oxygen.

    Hospital doctors and nurses are meta-humans, they're just wearing PPE to blend in. I think we've cracked this conspiracy wide open. I'm gonna email Alex Jones.
     
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    It isn't about vaccines. It is about authoritarianism.
     
  25. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Oh be quiet willya? If you think "making" people take a lifesaving vaccine is authoritarianism then you wouldn't know authoritarianism if it ran up and bit your sillyass behind.
     

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