we need free healthcare (part 2)

Because like your spelling ,,,,they stink...

You are asking that the most important thing in our lives be handled by a bunch of proven incompetents. Hell, they have even screwed up the cost of this thing already,,,correct?
So because you do not want to pay your own bills we have to suffer? NO WAY!! Get another job if you have too, Oh wait, the Government has screwed up the job market as well....

It's about their track record......it sucks!

 

I said that you didn't know the gentleman's name and that you didn't know the gentleman's politics and your defense is that you're ... lazy? That's gotta be the worst comeback I've ever heard.

In your attempt to insult me you missed the point. It wasn't spelling that was the problem. It was that you don't know the man you quoted. The fact that you thought his name was Mills made that evident. The fact that you claimed to be too lazy to do more then "cut and paste" the signature underscores the point. Mills is not the kind of liberal you think he is, and he's not talking about the type of conservatives you think he is.

You should go back and read the real Mill quote that I provided for you. It might give you a little insight into what he would think of modern progressive thought.

Why don't you prove your meddle and tell me how Mill's quote pertains to this health care thread? What would Mill have said on the subject? Would he have thought that a government provided universal social health care system would have been a good thing? Or would he have thought it was just a means for tyrants to enslave the soul of the individual?

First, there are three branches to our federal government. Not just two.

Secondly, the progressive tax system provides for him a way in which he does not have to pay for those who have none. No one is forced to earn and pay taxes in our system. He merely needs to decide to become one of those that the system provides for, rather then one of those that must toil to support the system.

What is the point of this statement?

 

I agree entirely with "free-universal" healthcare. Let me set up the system however:

Everyone who identifies themselves as a "true believer" of "free universal healthcare" should be singled out by the government and IRS. Such people will be forced to go to medical school (they will pay out of their own pocket of course) and residency, under threat of incarceration, to add enough doctors to the system to support the illegal aliens and others without insurance. Of this group, those who fail out of medical school will have all of their possessions confiscated to make up for their failure. Next, after nearly a decade of medical school and residency, the "true believers" of universal healthcare will accept whatever meager payments that the government can offer them for their services without any complaints (even if such payments are insufficient for them to pay off their medical school loans). If the government is in debt and cannot pay anything, then the true believers will work for free.

This is the only way that I would support "universal" healthcare.

 

FYI "uninsured" does NOT mean can't get health care. The HRSA on-line finder has a low cost/no cost Federally funded Health clinics.

 

You obviously don't study anything, i inferred that by some of your other posts. Your just blurting out your opinion not facts.

Cons:
Higher taxes
less jobs
less healthcare

We might have rank 37 healthcare but it's still better than obamacare

 

People are dying off in the streets. 40 million Americans don't have health insurance. Our healthcare system ranks #37 in all the countries.

Well most of these 40 million people are healthy, and if they aren't the people with insurance make up for the bill.
#37 huh infant mortality and stillbirths U.S./everyone but Canada, that's enough to lower life expectancy in europe to our level. Access is also factored in there, but "affordable access," there are E.R.s all over the U.S. that will provide emergency care and many times non-emergent care 24/7 regardless of ability to pay. Sure we're not France where an M.D. comes out to the house with his laptop to tell him what to do and what tests to order for your symptoms.

Who has the best quality healthcare? Countries with government healthcare.
Only when you measure by standards set by countries with government healthcare.... We in the U.S. blaze the trail and pave the way for all clinical innovation. Ever hear of liquid ventilation?

Who has the most affordable system of healthcare? Countries with government healthcare.
Affordable? When you give up more than half your income to your government you have become a serf, when you give up more than half your income to your government and they still keep borrowing money to give you sh#t you're a slave.
The US is the only industrialized country that doesn't provide this basic human right.

Rights when exercised do not enfringe on others rights. What you propose is slavery on the healthcare class. Strange that union employees for most unions earn more and have better retirements than the very people you will require to extend your lives. Funny isn't that a R.N. with a B.S. can be paid less than a UAW with 10 years.

The fact that the right-wingers are so greedy with their tax cuts they actually want to sacrifice the lives of millions disgusts me. FREE HEALTHCARE FOR ALL!!

No let's increase taxes on the top 1% and decrease medicare and medicaide from 40-60%/ 20-25% of the bill continue to fund the FDA which has passed many drugs and devices that have class action lawsuits against them. Millions are not dying for lack of healthcare the majority of Americans are covered. If millions were dying we wouldn't have a coverage problem in just a few years.

 

A naive, myopic and uninformed argument.
Care to tell us where in the constitution is any reference to clean drinking water, safe medicine, clean air, and a myriad of other things that ensure the well being of our citizenry? Maybe if you informed yourself about why the Constitution was "ordained" (a clue for you) then you would not have to ask such questions.

 

The only naive, myopic, and uninformed argument is YOURS. Nobody on our side of this argument is claiming that we have a constitutional right to clean water, safe medicine, etc. However, we recognize that we are blessed to live in a wealthy (this term is debatable) and modern nation, and we can afford to have safe water. Having safe water is also a relatively inexpensive endeavor, and it benefits everyone in society. If the government suddenly stated that it could no longer afford to keep everyone's drinking water clean, private companies would literally jump to this opportunity to fill in the gap, since there would now be a new market to fill.

On the flip side, YOUR side claims that we have a "RIGHT" to "free healthcare." YOUR side wants the federal government involved in the most private aspects of our lives. That's where our differences are. Perhaps it is you that should become more informed.

 

Government motivated by good spirits? They care about their own jobs more than anything else. Because they are just ordinary folks like you and I.

But people who work in the private markets are judged by their results, compete with one another, will go bankrupt or go out business if they fail. They are constantly pushed and monitored to provide good and services, even though for self interest. The government is a public monopoly that is not accountable to market discipline, does not have the drive to push towards excellence, can infringe individual rights because government do not function on the rule of private property, for example using A' money to do favour in return for B's vote.