We now arguably have the justification for shutting down Fox News, Breitbart, Newsmax, etc.

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  1. Kode

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    and any other media that defended and/or protected and/or paved the way for this insurrection.

    The Constitution says in Article 1, Section 8:

    "The Congress shall have Power To .... suppress Insurrections".

    It can be argued that a very significant cause of this insurrection was seen in the continuing emission of verbiage spewing from these sources, and that a responsible act by a fair and honorable Democratic government would be to shut down all media guilty of such dastardly acts and to place a permanent ban on their leadership and officers from ever owning or operating any media again.
     
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    And directly Violate the 1st amendment.
     
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    Yes, because it's absolutly not a kind of totalitarism to use a vague motive to close all medias that you disagree with ?

    Using an incident to start purge is what used all totalitarian regime to put in action their totalitarism, for instance the nazis used the Reichstag incident blamed on that moment on the communists (it's unknown if it was actually done by a communist or if it was a coup by the nazis).

    Do you realize at which point your methods are alike to the nazis ?
     
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    Look at these Leftists striving with their authoritarian hearts to be just like China.

    We knew what their real colors (Communist Red) was for decades, now they are finally bold enough to quit lying.
     
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  5. Kode

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    So you find a conflict in the Constitution! Great. Let's exploit it. Hate speech can be used as evidence of a hate crime and criminalized when it incites criminal activity. Also .....
    "The right to protest is one of the oldest and most-respected rights in the American democratic system. The right of citizens to peacefully protest is protected by our First Amendment rights to free speech. Of course, there are limits to even the most important rights, and the right to protest doesn't permit violence or the incitement to violence.

    "Protests that turn violent are called "riots" and, First Amendment rights aside, there are laws against rioting and inciting others to riot
    ".

    https://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-charges/rioting-and-inciting-riots.html

    And in spite of attempts to obscure and confuse the issue by comments like those of @VotreAltesse above, these are laws on the books which modify and limit the right to freedom of speech. Indeed, the SCOTUS has said that most freedoms in the Constitution have limitations. This is just another one and it's needed right now if we are to survive as a Constitutional democratic republic.
     
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    Spinning the truth to hide advocacy of an insurrection with a goal of transforming the USA into a despotic dictatorship led by a self-absorbed sociopath doesn't make the crime tolerable. The right ALWAYS tries to pin their crimes on the left. We know that. And we aren't fooled by it.
     
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    It’s not necessary right now, and I would hope it’d never be. Even if I were to hypothetically support it for some ungodly reason, I wouldn’t speak proudly of the notion.
     
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    There it is folks, welcome to the United States of China. China is welding people with their virus into their homes. When are you guys going to advocate for that?
     
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    These leftists are (counting) one person so far lol
    I’m against the govt stifling free speech on such flimsy grounds
     
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    Guys? Is the op multiple people?
     
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    Then how would you like a restoration and updating of The Fairness Doctrine and the Equal Time rule to prevent such abuses?

    And while we're at it, we need to also strengthen the separation of church and state and begin by stripping all tax advantage from any "religious" entity that either participated in the insurgency or advocated for it.
     
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    Do you really think insurgency is a "flimsy" offense? Look what it is doing to us, and it isn't even over yet. How should be prevent it in the future?
     
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    It lefty world it's always monkey see, monkey do. Look how many libs are sporting wood over the Parler deal even though they are on it themselves.
     
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    I like that idea.

    In fairness, and as a Reverend, I’d have to insist then, that the government turn a blind-eye to the number of congregates going to church on Sundays, for better or worse.
     
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    @Kode It's not matter of yes or no there is laws that freedom of speech, but about methods where using incidents to shut down opposition, that's a method that is used by totalitarian regimes, and always with the same apparent motive :
    We must limit because [insert name] is a threat to the public order.

    That's what used the nazis, that's what used militarian Japan.

    If people did something illegal, then they have to stand a trial, the methods you want to use are textbook nazis methods.

    You are totalitarian, that's not an opinion, that's a fact.
     
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    But you are perfectly fine with the Big Tech and the MSM doing it, both of who aligned with the Democratic Party years ago. We get it.

    The Left have become "Commufascists".

    You guys will use their monopolist sycophants to push their authoritarianism. You actually think this crap is alright. We always knew that is how you guys were, but now you have exposed yourselves completely.
     
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    The govt isn’t taking down Parler. Just pretend Amazon is a baker and Parler is a gay wedding cake.
     
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    Just pretend Amazon is a Christian pharmacist and Parler is the morning after pill.
     
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    I already have. Several hundred thousand people now dead would be alive if we had done that. (And China has now let all the welded-in people out, and they're all in good health, AFAIK)
     
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    Your butchering of language which interferes with clarity notwithstanding, you are actually advocating we bend and neuter laws so as to allow an extreme right wing dictatorship to take power.
     
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    Just pretend that you actually believe the 1st Amendment is important.

    Commufacsism is here people... and they are Democrats.
     
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    China actually used the exact tactics you are defending and trying to protect, as has every dictator in history. Then they did as you are in trying to pin their crimes on the opposition.
     
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    That's the sort of thing Hitler and Mussolini said to spin the truth.
     
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    Why do you oppose Amazon’s first amendment rights?
    I’m tired of getting infractions on my PF account. You should let me use yours, if you don’t then you’re against the 1st amendment.
     
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