We're already seeing signs of unintended side effects and dangers from the vaccine

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  1. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    A Boston doctor has detailed the harrowing experience he suffered in having a severe allergic reaction after receiving his first dose of Moderna's COVID vaccine Thursday.

    Dr. Hossein Sadrzadeh is the first person to report such a reaction to the Moderna vaccine. At least six people had similar reactions to the Pfizer vaccine.

    Sadrzadeh's heart rate spiked and his blood pressure tanked. He used his EpiPen, and his colleagues at Boston Medical Center took him to the emergency room.

    "I want [people] to carry their EpiPen if they have it at home and also inform the person that is administering that injection to them that they have a severe allergic reaction," Sadrzadeh told the Boston Globe. "I knew the symptoms. I had the experience. I was a physician, and I was scared to death. Imagine someone who does not have the information."

    Researchers have not yet figured out what in the vaccine has caused the reactions.

    Boston doctor ‘scared to death’ by allergic reaction to vaccine - New York Daily News (nydailynews.com)


    I told you so.

    These vaccines can carry unintended side effects and dangers in rarer cases.
    Which is completely unsurprising for anyone familiar with the science of vaccines.
    Especially since the current vaccines have only undergone limited testing and have not been around very long.
     
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    Daniel Light Well-Known Member

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    And?

    Is your math: 1 dozen allergic reactions > 300,000 deaths?
     
  3. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The scary thing is some people could suffer side effects that might not immediately be apparent, or lead to detrimental impacts on the body or increased risked factors for other things, that researchers have not yet discovered.
    Unintended effects are not always obvious or immediately recognizable.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Is that really what you think the ratio is?

    Let's realize, of course, the vast majority of people who catch this disease are not going to die.

    If for example, it is 1 out of 30,000 people who suffer an allergic reaction, and, within a specific population pool (young people), it is 1 out of 3000 people who dies, then the ratio of allergic reaction to life saved would actually be more like 1:10, wouldn't it?

    Those are just numbers pulled out of a hat that I'm using as an example, but you see the point of what I'm saying.
     
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    Like in a few years when millions of vaccinated are dying because their immune system has been shut down by the vaccine, or they find out even if a person is vaccinated they can still catch the virus, never have a single symptom and spread it far and wide.

    The then there is the next problem, like a flu shot, is the vaccine something a person has to take every year or more often as the the virus mutates to survive the current vaccine.

    Where does it stop?

    Is it better to replace a persons natural immune system with a constant series of vaccines some of which appear to be lightly vetted?

    I also find odd that the very people who distrust the government and "big business" are now totally on the bandwagon for both the government and big business when it comes to healthcare.

    Seems to be a tad bit hypocritical to me.
     
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    I don't know that the comparison to a flu shot is valid. The flu and covid vaccines use different technology. The nRNA technology is totally new. The more I read about the nRNA technology the better I feel about taking a Covid vaccine. I feel better about it than a flu shot loaded with adjuvants.

    I have a family member who works in a hospital where one floor consists of Covid patients on ventilators and another floor with Cavid patients who not on ventilators. Two floors of Covid patients! Covid is real.

    I distrust Government and Big Business but I trust my doctors. If I did not trust them I would seek other doctors. Health care providers are now taking the Covid vaccines, and these are people who have studied and practices medicine, not government flunkies.

    A guy carrying an Epipen is someone who knows he/she is at risk of an allergic reaction.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    "Totally new" ? That makes you feel "safer" ?

    I think you just made the opposite point of what you were trying to argue.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It's only in some places.

    To give you some examples, in Los Angeles County, 29% of hospital beds are occupied by Covid patients, in King County (Seattle), 10% of hospital beds are occupied by Covid patients, in Queens, New York it's 13%.

    If you look at the actual statistics, the shortage of ICU beds is primarily not being driven by Covid, that is just one factor (among several) that is adding on and pushing things over the edge at many hospitals.
     
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    I believe the nRNA Covid vaccines will likely address new strains of Covid whereas the Flu vaccines are proven to be only effective on one strain of Flu.
     
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    Bit like the COVID isn’t it?
     
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    So does this new rRNA technology also represent an end to the common cold? (which is another form of coronavirus)

    They've been unsuccessfully trying to discover a cure for that for decades.

    The more this mutates into many different strains, the less effective any attempted vaccine is likely to be, it may be safe to say.
     
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    The nRNA technology is about 10 years old but the technology was only applied now to Covid because of the massive amount of money made available. I doubt if the same funding is going to be made available for colds anytime soon because a cold doesn't generally kill people.
     
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    :roflol:

    Yeah, I would definately describe your numbers as "pulled out of a hat"! Your example math is not even on this planet numerically!

    However, there is a reason medical professionals are to be the ones to inject vaccines to people - they are ready to understand it and apply immediate care.

    Although the cases have almost all people who have that are aware they have allergic reactions and are advised to have their allergery medication, and the medical profession have precautions too!

    1 out of a 3000 "dies"? I can see how anti-vaxers are afraid of having a vaccine, while they are relaxed about actual deadly diseases.
     
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    Allergic reactions can happed to virtually anything
     
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    Really, then why are Walgreens pharmacists injecting people with the vaccine?
     
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    Does this mean he will need another vaccine to be safe from Covid?
     
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    Which is why they should only be administered in a healthcare setting, where emergency procedures can be immediately provided, versus a drug store where they would have to call 911 and wait until the paramedics arrive, which maybe too late.
     
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    Or another vaccination to be safe from the first vaccination.
     
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    I have had da covid so I will wait until the vaccine is a little safer from testing.
     
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    No question they can, they always have done so. All meds and vaccines getting released do so.

    If you have to carry a pen with you, you are a high risk person, very high risk.
    Talk to a pharmacist giving vaccinations, they always have everything ready for a allergic reaction and interview the person before giving the shot. The last vaccine I got was shingles. 5 minutes interview and than the lady got everything out. After the shot she asked me to stay for 30 minutes and cheked on me every so often. Because people had allergic reaction to that shot.
    Big fooking deal.
     
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    Perhaps you could read a little bit on what a pharmacist is and does!

    Do you think pharmacist just count the number of pills in a bottle?

    ONE of the many disciplines required to master to be a pharmacist is to understand what drugs do, what would be appropriate dosage based on age and condition, interactions, the potential reactions to overdosage and underdosage, and plenty of other considerations that are possible.

    And getting all the other drugs at a pharmacy that can easily have much more impact on a patient than ANY vaccine, a pharmacy is a pretty good place to get a vaccine. Not to mention a pharmacy could likely have any of an enormous array of potential useful medicined right on hand, able to be administrated IMMEDIATELY, evan faster than most hospitals which may be several floors and wings away.

    Actually, if you get a new or problematic medication, taking the drug right in the pharmacy and then shopping in the pharmacy for 15 or 20 minutes was a routine way to take it to see if they have a reaction.
     
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    You mean you DON’T have basic emergency equipment on hand?? Geeeesh! Even our roving nurse vaccinators have basic first response equipment plus standing orders for its use
     
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    And you LIVED!?! Go figure, so did my oldest niece and her husband, slight fevers and lethargic for 3 days, now just fine. I too am fine with waiting to see how the oh so anxious guinea pigs are faring this time next year.
     
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    This is AMERICA, land of lawyers and lawsuits!
     
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    I never did like needles.
     
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