Were the laws of thermodynamics broken on 9/11 in addition to the laws of physics?

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  1. Bob0627

    Bob0627 Well-Known Member

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    Yes, 17 years overdue. And the grand jury is not investigating it on eyewitness testimony alone, much of which was recorded 17 years ago when it was fresh.

    It could be worse, there could be no grand jury investigation of 9/11 at all, one of the worst crimes in American history.
     
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    Logic Bob, give it a go. In the absense of any of them having seen it planted or detonated, it is speculation at best.

    Hey calm down Bob, the evidence speaks for itself, it says speculation at best. Unless any of these people saw it being planted etc.

    Thanks.

    Yes Bob, to see if it is incriminating. That's what they do.

    Cool, thanks for clarifying your poor repeated interpretation again.
     
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    Speak for yourself.

    Yes your belief that your questions will be raised by the grand jury is speculative. And talk about logic, extremely unlikely and no chance at all for those who experienced explosions prior to plane impacts, as well as those who were injured or killed by them.

    The grand jury does not need to have any eyewitnesses personally see that anything was planted in order to conclude a crime was committed or that there were explosions or that a thorough criminal investigation is required. That's like saying there is a requirement for an eyewitness to have seen a person shot in order to conclude a crime was committed.
     
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  4. Munkle

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    The plane hits were insignificant, and the towers were specifically designed for multiple hits. Hollow aluminum tubes are no match for the latticework of four-foot-wide steel columns in the core. The planes were shredded like they were going through a giant cheese grater, and you can see the cut pieces of what was left on the ground.

    1993, Lead WTC Structural Engineer John Skilling,The Seattle Times:

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    I was. I was asking you to try it for once.

    OMG - you claim explosions before the planes hit? What ludicrous hogwash.

    No it is not. An eyewitness who sees somebody fleeing the scene is ok. One saying they heard "explosions" during immense buildings collapsing is a bit more unrealistic.
     
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    I never made that claim, I wasn't there. There are at least 2 eyewitnesses who have made that claim though, including one who was injured by the explosion. It doesn't matter what you want to call it, you are irrelevant, the eyewitnesses are not. The ludicrous hogwash is the above because you either haven't done the research or you're just plain ignoring or denying it. 9/11 is NOT about me, I had nothing to do with it and I wasn't there.

    Virtually ALL the eyewitnesses claim to have seen, heard, felt, and/or been injured by explosions PRIOR to the destruction of any of the 3 towers and at least one whose autopsy revealed he was most likely killed by an explosion in the lobby. Not to mention those who claim explosions PRIOR to airplane impact. You ought to read the exhibits/evidence instead of making things up about the eyewitness claims.
     
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    So you have already determined it was a crime. You don't need no stinkin grand jury.
     
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    I don't know anyone who doesn't believe 9/11 was a crime, even without a grand jury. What do you think it was?

    The City of New York has issued over 2,700 death certificates related to the attacks on the World Trade Center on 9/11.1 In addition to the murder of over 2,000 innocent civilians, hundreds of First Responders were also murdered on 9/11 while selflessly attempting to save others.2 Many more First Responders have died subsequent to 9/11 as a result of their exposure to toxic and corrosive air contaminants at Ground Zero while participating in heroic rescue and recovery work. A number of FBI agents have also been reported to have died as a result of such exposures. - Preliminary Statement, First Amended Petition

    Of course I want a grand jury investigation into 9/11 regardless of what you, I or anyone else thinks 9/11 was. Why on earth would anyone (other than those involved) not want a grand jury investigation into such a massive crime? In fact I would like what the 9/11 Commission recommended, a permanent 9/11 Commission, but one that is truly independent, and starts from scratch with ALL the evidence at its disposal, including ALL classified material. One with as much funding as necessary for such an investigation, one that's as transparent as possible, utilizes all the appropriate experts necessary, has full subpoena powers with no immunities granted to any government servant regardless of past (see Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, etc.) or current position and adheres strictly to all universally accepted criminal investigation protocols and standards, especially NFPA guidelines and the scientific method. I would also like those involved in the original 9/11 Commission and the NIST "investigation" subpoena'd and interviewed at length. I would like all the preliminary reports peer reviewed to whatever extent is necessary to insure no stone was left unturned.
     
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    They timed the explosives to go off seconds before the planes hit? Don't make me laugh.
     
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    An act of terrorism master minded by Osama Bin Laden and carried out by alquedo. I have seen nothing that convinces me otherwise. I have been involved in failure analysis involving explosions and participated in aircraft investigation boards. There were always .results that could not be fully explained because in catastrophic events pieces bounce off of each other and ricochet in strange directions.
     
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    Comedy aside, no one said anything about timing explosives. 9/11 eyewitness claims require investigation no matter what you're laughing at.
     
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    There were no explosions. 9-11 has been investigated. All you have left is ignorant looks. What engineering school did you attend where you studied thermodynamics?
     
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    No one cares what you think or what you're convinced about (other than for discussion purposes in a forum). As suggested in a prior post, file an Amicus Curea brief if you think it will help the grand jury reach the conclusion you seem to hope they will reach.
     
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    Over 100 eyewitnesses claim otherwise, as well as other corroborating evidence. Your opinion does nothing to change those facts.

    Please post the link to any 9/11 grand jury investigation that took place prior to this one and include the results.

    Non sequitur, what does that have to do with this OP? One semester at CCNY as an engineering major. Which one did you attend?
     
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    Why don't you explain the three laws of thermodynamics?
     
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    Likewise, no one cares what you think or what you're convinced about (other than for discussion purposes in a forum). As far as filing a brief, I am sure that there are those out there who are much more qualified than me who will testify to the same thing to the grand jury. .
     
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    Nope, gravity worked just as predicted. Heat melted steel to the point of failure.
     
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    Google it, I'm not interested in educating you in the laws of physics. There are 4 anyway lol.
     
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    I don't understand them and you don't know what they are.
     
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    Correct. What matters are the facts.

    And I'm quite sure that isn't remotely true. But then again no one cares what you or I think as mutually agreed.
     

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