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  1. alexa

    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Cerebus, just about everyone now admits that the UK is going to be considerably poorer when we leave the EU and for working people almost certainly a massive reduction in rights.

    Are you stacking up on food?

    Leaving the EU is a last ditch attempt to keep neo liberalism going. The Scottish Tories are working hard to keep May in as they believe Boris or Mogg will totally end their hopes - they will not even have a voice to fight it themselves.
     
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    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Baff Well-Known Member

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    Yeah there's always a new reason why Scotland is going to go for independence.
    Trouble is, Scotland doesn't actually want independence, only a minority of them do.
    Expect eternal whinging.
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Donor

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    I hope Scotland severs all ties with the rest of the UK, politically and geographically, and floats away to somewhere in the Arctic Circle, never to be seen nor heard from ever again. :nod: :mrgreen:
     
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    Baff Well-Known Member

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    When they start killing each other again, just stand back and let them.
     
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    That would be why we would be aiming to join EFTA (and EFTA should shut the farmers and fishermen up as they aren't included, though I suspect that won't stop them carping) . Once we have a Central Bank, which we would need before anything else for EU membership, then maybe thatwould become an option, if we voted for it when the criteria had been met. It is the single market that's important, not the EU per se.

    And, by the way, the largest part of Scotland's deficit is because of the charges made by Westminster for "services" Westminster provides...whether we want them or not....the FOR Scotland as opposed to the IN Scotland spending. If nothing else happens after independence, we could get a growth in tax take when all the civil service jobs we fund in London and environs are repatriated to Scotland
     
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    https://www.reuters.com/article/sco...ls-to-7-9-pct-of-gdp-in-2017-18-idUSL9N1ST024

    It's quite simple Scotland spends more than the rest of the UK per person and is increasing it's budget quicker than England, Wales or NI.

    It has nothing to do with Westminster it has to do with increased education and health care costs, at the moment the rest of the UK is paying for Scotland's happy hour.
     
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    Baff Well-Known Member

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    Nothing new.
    Apparently if we don't give them more money, they are going to have a referendum.
    Same if we don't join the EU.
    Also if we don't change the clocks and admit we are racists.
     
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    That comes from our block grant, which is a PORTION of the taxes the UK guesstimates we pay to Treasury returned to us to spend on certain devolved areas, in Scotland and for Scotland, only one of which is fully devolved. The Scottish government is not ALLOWED spend more than it gets between the block grant and locally raised taxes...it HAS to stay within budget...and it does. Therefore any deficit we have is pretty much what Westminster hands us...it gets what it doesn't give us back from our taxes....PLUS charges us a share of debt interest on debt we had no say in accumulating, a share of the foreign embassies etc which then charge Scotland’s exports and inward investment agency, Scottish Development International £3000 to hold a reception in them, a share of Defence, which is more than any small independent country would require to spend, and a share of the UK Border Agency on England's borders, in fact we pay something to every agency in Westminster which deals with areas devolved to Scotland, because it is Westminster who writes and administers the rules we have to abide by. The increased education and health care costs is a choice made by the Scottish Government when deciding how to spend their income to ensure they don't exceed that income...because that is NOT ALLOWED!
     
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    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Brexit was built on English Nationalism - that ethnic nationalist stuff. It is not then surprising that Brexit will lead to the end of the Union. Even Scottish Unionists are only 1% behind a majotrity in favour of an Independent Scotland if Brexit comes to be and as for the English Nationalists, they are so nationalistic, they are looking for another fight with the Irish!

    I am guessing the EU, not requiring Ms Foster's vote will listen to the people of the North, the majority of whom want to stay in the EU and that sooner than you know there will be a United Ireland.

    https://www.commonspace.scot/articl...gures-show-union-falling-apart-front-our-eyes
     
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    One man's (or woman's) 'nationalism' is another's 'patriotism'? It isn't natural to want your country to be governed by foreigners. Especially foreign pen-pushers and jobsworths.
     
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    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I see you are wanting rid of Boris,

    Like it or not the English Nationalist elite managed to get those who were understandably angry with austerity to buy into the 'us and them'. There is though now plenty of strong resistance growing in England thanks to Corbyn giving them a voice.


    The choice for England. Mogg or Corbyn.

    Mogg enjoy the last remnants of failed neo liberalism


    The dismantling of the State since the 1980s: Brexit is the wrong diagnosis of a real crisis

    Corbyn - a return to a country for all its people.

    But this is off topic.
     
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    Yes, so a very brief reply?

    Boris Johnson is the almost-inarticulate parliamentary clown.
    JRM is a prodigious 'brain on legs'.
    Corbyn is a nonentity, and merely a playing-to-the gallery puppet for ahem, the hard left.

    You seem to forget how dysfunctional and utterly incompetent the UK was under the nationalised industries used to be - not that there's been any improvement since they were privatised. I despair at what my country has become since being taken over by bureaucrats.
     
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    Corbyn would be a prog overthrow.
    Minority rule by arse-holes and idiots. He'd destroy the country just like he has destroyed his own party. But he has zero chance of ruling here.


    Mogg would be quite good.
    Boris wouldn't be that bad.

    I don't think Mogg wants it and I think Boris has missed his chance.


    Nationalised industries were ****ing awful.
    Minority rule and monopolisation at it's worst.
     
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    Which is precisely why Scotland wants out of the Union. Our situation isn't natural.
     
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    Yes it is....life's easier if you accept it
    The sweaties like the welsh et al are all happy snaffling up the cash earned and taxed by those in the Sar'feast and then complaining about life
    Suck it up
     
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    The Union no longer makes sense! It only made sense when English king, or jolly racist like Churchill, needed Scots to kill johnny foreigner.
     
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    I don't want an "easy" life doing what I'm told by my next door neighbour,having them taking all my earnings, handing me back some of it to spend on what I want and then spending the rest for me on things they want and think I should want just because they do....and when they run out of money and whack some of their purchases on their credit card....I'm expected to pay some of the interest on that because they spent on stuff they wanted and because they wanted it I should want it too. I can't see any benefit in living like that.....what benefit do you see in it?
     
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    seriously!!??.....the sar'feast of England pays for the rest of the UK's public services....sweaties free Unis included...end of.
     
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    Doesn't matter whether we're independent or part of the union, it will be Holyrood or Westminster that takes your money and tells you what to do.
     

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