What are black NFL players protesting?

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  1. upside222

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    There is a LARGER pattern of violence against whites who encounter the police. A large percentage of whites that encounter the police are killed by the police than are non-whites.

    Why don't you tell the WHOLE story? go here: http://newsok.com/deaf-man-shot-killed-by-police-in-se-okc-tuesday/article/5564788

    "Mathews said Lindsey had a Taser drawn and Barnes had a handgun pointed at Sanchez as they ordered him to drop the pipe. Witnesses at the scene were yelling at the officers that Sanchez was deaf, but Mathews said it was unknown if the officers heard them.

    Both officers fired their weapons after Sanchez began to approach them. Mathews said Sanchez was about 15 feet away from the officers when he was shot. Witnesses said the Taser deployed at the same time Sanchez was hit by the gunfire."

    WHY WOULD A DEAF MAN COME AT POLICE OFFICERS POINTING WEAPONS AT HIM - ESPECIALLY WHEN ARMED WITH A 2-FT PIECE OF PIPE?

    Was the man blind as well as deaf? Or did he have violent intentions?

    Are you one of those that believe the police should be sacrificial lambs to citizens that wish to attack or kill them? That they should just stand there meekly and not defend themselves?

    Based on the news report this was a clear case of self-defense by the police. Only those that hate the police would see it otherwise! Reasonable, law-abiding people just don't come at police with a pipe when the officers are pointing weapons at them!
     
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    Free speech is limited by the 1st amendment. Read it. ;-)
     
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    upside222 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It's not truly free speech when you have a captive audience!

    We were in Vietnam to prevent the spread of Communism. It was a *good* reason.

    I suspect you are also one that thinks we should abandon South Korea too, right?
     
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    Have *YOU* ever been in a life or death situation? I have. Twice. With home invaders. How would *you* know that there is little to absolutely zero threat?

    NO! He did *NOT* do as the police told him. They told him to keep his hands in sight, He didn't. He had already told the police he was armed. What were they *supposed* to think when he apparently started to reach for the gun in opposition to what the police were telling him?

    IT IS TOO LATE TO REACT WHEN THE CRIMINAL HAS ALREADY PULLED THE TRIGGER! You and most on the left seem to think that the police should wait till they are shot at before shooting back! I can't think of a better way for the police to commit suicide by criminal!

    Here is what the Kansas statutes say about self-defense. Almost all states are similar.

    "21-5222. Use of force in defense of a person. [Amends K.S.A. 2010 Supp. § 21-3211] (a) A person is justified in the use of force against another when and to the extent it appears to such person and such person reasonably believes that such use of force is necessary to defend such person or a third person against such other’s imminent use of unlawful force. (b) A person is justified in the use of deadly force under circumstances described in subsection (a) if such person reasonably believes that such use of deadly force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to such person or a third person"

    The police operate under the same statute. It is not required that you actually be attacked before engaging in self-defense. You do *NOT* have to potentially sacrifice yourself before responding. "Reasonable belief" that imminent unlawful force which would cause death or great bodily harm is about to be deployed is all that is needed in order to plead self-defense.

    Castille acted in a manner that caused the police to believe there was an imminent threat of unlawful force about to occur. He acted STUPIDLY! Stupid takes you out of the gene pool. Stupid is not a survival trait.

    Malarky! It's the same exact excuse blacks use to justify their hatred of the police. You hear it *all* the time! You just want to remain in your bubble of willful ignorance that only blacks need to be afraid of the police.
     
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    Did you and yours read it? Or you only feign outrage when it doesn't suit your agenda?

     
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    But why were they kneeling?
     
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    The military defends this country. Without them you would be speaking German or Japanese or Chinese today.

    Those that support disrespecting our flag, what it stands for, and the military that defends both probably have not yet gotten over losing their loved one and blame America for the loss. I meet families like this all the time. They have my sympathy but I do *NOT* agree with their view of America!
     
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    Google "communism domino effect". The knowledge of history by young people today is just pathetic.

    Pol Pot took over Cambodia after we left Vietnam and KILLED MILLIONS in re-education camps. A prime piece of evidence that the domino effect was accurate!
     
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    No they protest the systematic racism that plagues a large portion of American police departments, which has been documented by the Justice Department and various private organizations
     
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    It is not necessary to shoot someone who is covered by 2 officers with sidearms drawn 6 times because that person is walking slowly towards one of the officers while holding a piece of pipe.
     
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    That is not what the domino effect means. Wrong
     
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    I imagine what a player is protesting varies from player to player but from what I heard on NPR yesterday, they are primarily protesting police brutality, real or perceived, against the Black community.
    From my perspective, it seems like an awfully vague & counterproductive way to communicate one's grievances.
     
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    However, if your house or apartment is "searched", you can expect to be "light" a few valuables afterward
     
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    You've sure made a fool of yourself. I'm asking on a reason because didn't you and yours dumped the South Vietnamese like a hot potato and abandon an ally when it's convenient to you? And what did you and yours do for the family members of those who were left in these "re-education" camps to rot? Where were the declaration of war crimes or only the loser suffer the consequences? And pathetically, the US now shakes hand with the idiot commies in the name of making $$$ selling arms. Don't lecture me on your "commies" boogeyman when you and yours are hypocrites. You spit on the graves of the men who served there and died.
     
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    The Democrats of today ARE Marxists!

    Marxism has three basic tenets: 1. class warfare, 2. redistribution of wealth, and 3. central planning of the economy.

    When was the last time you heard a Democrat talking about anything *except* these three tenets?
     
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    Are you their spoke person as well? Quite a few acknowledge that they don't condone these actions, but they do support it.
     
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    The point is that they didn't disrespect the flag, what the flag stands for, or the military that defends both.

    I simply do not care what the players do to protest as long as they don't disrespect the flag and military my friend died for!

    Just note carefully that the fans *also* exercised their freedom of speech by booing loudly! That is *NOT* good for the NFL! When the fans start booing it is the beginning of the end.
     
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    Your friend and I fought for their right to kneel.
     
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    The so-called systemic racism is always based on evidence like Mike Brown - a common thug criminal who attacked a policeman and died for it.

    Let's face it, the police take a oath to protect the Constitution and the law. They are charged with faithfully executing the laws. They cannot let criminals go free because it would be less confrontational. We are seeing the effect of that kind of confrontation-free policing all across the nation today. It has resulted in killing fields with no end of escalation in sight!

    The plain basic fact is that in cities like Chicago, NY City, Baltimore, and St. Louis the majority of crimes *are* committed by minorities and therefore minorities come into contact with the police far more often than whites. That may be an inconvenient truth for the left to accept but it is the truth nonetheless.

    Take Chicago: through Sept, 2017 there have been 483 shot and killed in Chicago. Almost all who were killed were black and almost all of the shooters were black. There have been over 2300 shot. 10 of those killed involved the police. That does *NOT* indicate any kind of systemic racism in the Chicago police. They are policing the wild west and doing a good job of it!

    A few anecdotes are simply not enough to prove the police are hunting and killing blacks!
     
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    Once again, you don't even bother to read the news reports, not even when given the link to one of them!

    Only one of the officers had a firearm, the other had a Taser. And where did the news reports say he approached the officers "slowly"? READ the news report. Read it slowly. Repeating every word out loud.

    And it is obvious that you have *never* been in a life and death situation. Firing multiple shots is common. When adrenaline floods the body vast changes in the body occurs. Tunnel vision, trembling, loss of hearing, etc. No amount of training can eliminate this! Many times the person firing the firearm doesn't even know how many shots they have fired. They are trained to fire until the attacker stops attacking. You can literally fire several shots during the time it takes to register that the attack is over.
     
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    Oh, give me a break! You didn't even go look it up, did you?

    go here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domino_theory

    "The domino theory was a theory prominent from the 1950s to the 1980s, that posited that if one country in a region came under the influence of communism, then the surrounding countries would follow in a domino effect."

    "The primary evidence for the domino theory is the spread of communist rule in three Southeast Asian countries in 1975, following the communist takeover of Vietnam: South Vietnam (by the Viet Cong), Laos (by the Pathet Lao), and Cambodia (by the Khmer Rouge)."


    My guess is that you weren't even alive at this time in history.
     
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    I just missed the draft sonny
     
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    And you and my friend fought for *MY* right to consider those who disrespect the flag and *YOU* and my friend as IDIOTS!

    And they *are* idiots of the worst kind. If they want to protest police brutality then PROTEST AT POLICE STATIONS! Don't do it in front of the common people who are a captive audience and have spent good money to be entertained, not to suffer political proselytization by idiots with an agenda to push!
     
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    So did I. Lottery number 37 and I had taken my physical and was waiting for order to report as a nuclear power officer on a submarine. Then Nixon stopped the war and the draft and the Navy told me they didn't need me!

    And the "domino theory" was a common term at that time. The fact that you don't know that makes me question whether you are pushing a tall tale!
     

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