What are Progressive Values?

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  1. Greataxe

    Greataxe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What are progressive values, and more importantly, what are progressive moral values?

    Please give a basic list of what they today in 2016 and state whether you are a progressive or not a progressive.

    Looking up current lists online have left me puzzled as to what they might be.
     
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    Deckel Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Depends on the individual or group. "progressives" are not a monolith walking in lock step.
     
  3. Pycckia

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    The only progressive value is equality. If a group or class distinguishes itself through virtue or accomplishment, that group or class must be torn down.

    In essence they value nothing.
     
  4. Fangbeer

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    Christina Hoff Sommers likes to recount her experience in a woman's studies conference that split off into dozens of hazily defined factions of special interest grievances that spent more time dividing then unifying.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/arch...terhood/35ed91a9-5129-454e-ac8f-eb867ce1150d/

    It's interesting to me that progressives yern so strongly for individualism yet if they are not completely oblivious to those urges, they are ashamed of them.
     
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    This is one of the ways I personally know I'm dealing with a "progressive". They will flat out refuse to say anything that might be construed to be a value. Unless of course it is so trivial such as "the betterment of mankind" or some nonsense that can't be used as a way of figuring out how they might stand on a particular issue.

    Yet, we know they do.

    So I'll give my opinion that they will always refuse to do.

    Progressives do not have values. They have the stimulus and response mechanisms of rabbits. If there is something that keeps them from eating or copulating, they're against it.

    That is a value you can apply to everything they hold dear.
     
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    Deckel Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Nonsense. Different people have different values within any given group. If you are unaware of tensions and factions within the left, then it is because you have not been interested enough to do the research. You just want to troll.
     
  7. Borat

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    The underdog is always morally superior... Even when the underdog is a black racist, Islamic terrorist, anti-western dictator, violent protester...

    It's not a value I suppose but an absolutely inevitable Pavlovian knee-jerk reaction to underdogs among the progressives.
     
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    This actually suggests a value: victimhood.

    They are always searching for and valuing victims, and yearn to be victims themselves, and greater victims than their fellow progressives.

    Victimhood seems to suggest to progressives greater moral worth, a fallacy first identified by Bertrand Russell.
     
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    The premise is an oxymoron. Are we on Candid Camera?
     
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    That's amusing because what I hear from conservatives, they say they are about freedom and individuality yet they fight to make gay marriage illegal and choose to interject themselves in other people's business whenever their so called morals demand them to. Yet when you point to their immorality of greed, they come back and yell "SOCIALIST SOCIALIST SOCIALIST!!!".

    Both sides have their hypocrites and if you can't see that....guess what? You are one of the partisan hypocrites.

    the simple FACT is there is no cookie cutter liberal, progressive, conservative, etc. Each person is their own individual and while some people band together on some topics and issues, they are completely divided on others.
     
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    Yet you couldn't name one of those.

    Perhaps I'm not entirely wrong, after all, considering I predicted you wouldn't.
     
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    It's a reverence for the struggle against injustice. What's interesting is that we live in a time where progressives revere the successes of their predecessors, but must necessarily conflict with them because the successes of their heroes represent current injustice.

    Hence:
    We get to hear about wealth inequality at a time when social welfare programs have never been more expansive.
    We get to hear about the destruction of our environment at a time when environmental protections have never been more restrictive.
    We get to hear about the poor quality of education at a time when educators have never been more well endowed with resources.

    We get to hear about all the racism that exists under our current president.
     
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    You'll get the same answer you would get if you asked about conservative values: people within the group will tell you that your question is too simplistic and opponents of the group will reply with simplistic, often cartoonishly melodramatic answers of their own.
     
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    There are arguments why conservatives are against gay marriage, and this might be an interesting topic for another thread, but not here. Hell, you probably read a few of those, such as "marriage is a convention of the state, and the state is incapable of conferring a natural right".

    Do you see what I did there? I stated natural rights as a value. This is something that has been part of true (meaning classical liberal of which tomes have been written) liberal values for as long as there have been liberals.

    Yet again, my prediction holds true. You managed to say absolutely nothing about progressive values.
     
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    Why does government have to impose a value either way? If you are for individuality, mustn't you allow for someone to disagree with you?

    True individual liberty requires trust. Do you trust that you'll be okay if I refuse to recognize your marriage to a block of wood? The idea that there are some morals you need the power of government to force individuals to comply with seems to me to be much more a tenet of the progressive's policy.
     
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    I can tell you some of the things I value down to the policy level, but there are many progressives who would rabidly disagree with me, therefor I do not speak for all progressives. You seem to think that we all agree. You are just looking for a gotcha moment so you can continue with your nonsense.
     
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    Conservatives do the exact same thing. Every philosophy has their favorite victims that they put on a pedestal. I can't turn on right wing radio without a constant barrage of how conservatives are being victimized and gun owners are being victimized and smokers are being victimized and Christians are being victimized and men are being victimized and white people are being victimized and the working joe is being victimized and job creators are being victimized.
     
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    Of course they are all being effected by the progressive victim mentality that can only rely on totalitarianism to implement their fixes.
     
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    Oh my, another thread where conservatives proclaim that they have better values than non-conservatives. Yet, they divorce at the same rate as non-conservatives. They proclaim to be pro-life, but then they turn around to cut off welfare to the unwanted child as soon as it leaves the womb.

    Here is a (not exclusive) list of what I value:

    -Life (all life, not just the unborn)
    -Family
    -Hard work
    -Education
    -Character
    -Compassion
    -Community
     
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    Both sides find themselves tempted towards authoritarianism when they feel disaffected. Progressive and conservative. The mentality is a shared one.
     
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    1. Destroy the individual. Group think must rule.
    2. Destroy all private property. Everything belongs to the collective.
    3. Destroy all wealth. People don't need that much. They should be happy with less
    4. Destroy all independence. People should be indoctrinated in government controlled schools and should learn to obey as their primary value.
    5. Destroy all voluntary associations. The government should tell people how to associate.
    6. Destroy free speech. Anything said against the Left is hate speech and must be stopped
    7. Destroy individual self-defense. Only the government should have guns and if anyone questions the government they should be shot.
     
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    I have no interest in a gotcha moment. There are many who have attempted to answer this same basic question of what do progressives value? None that I have read are from progressives. Sure, you have a bullet list like quantum nerd provided which say absolutely nothing like "family" or "hard work", but this is where progressives start eating their own because many, as you point out, don't believe in family or hard work.

    Try forgetting any hypocrisy from the right, and try thinking "what binds us together?" because without that, there is no answer to the OP's question.

    And that non-answer is the same answer I provided.
     
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    Current progressive values: Boys in the Girls Room? Or is that just a song title? ;-)
     
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    Yet you USE government to enforce YOUR morals:roflol:

    And no I don't trust all YOUR morals.
     
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    Is it not possible to hold these values and be at odds with how they are best served?
     
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