What are Progressive Values?

Progressivism is a philosophy and those who follow believe that advancements in all aspects of society lead to a better life for people. Pretty much everyone is a progressive to some degree.

Liberals focus more on social advancement with things like gay marriage but people who support sciences or building infrastructure or medical research are also progressive. Conservatives are not considered progressive because they want to hold on to traditional values but progressivism comes in many layers. A person can be progressive in some areas but not others so it's hard to define who is a progressive.

This word in our society has become interchangeable with liberal.

 

a progressive value is to hold our nose to comments like this.

 

These are the underlying intention and the end results of progressive policies, but they are not how those policies are sold to the masses. They are sold as benevolent compassion for the poor, or societal protections from the criminal element. They do nothing, in the long run, to actually benefit the poor, or to protect society from crime. In fact they create more disparity, and move independence further and further away, but they are very effective in purchasing votes.

 

When did I do such a thing?

Here's my take on conservative thought:

The purpose of government is to defend the natural rights of individuals within the civil society from enemies both foreign and domestic. Those natural rights are: life, the ownership of property (including the self), and self determination (the right to choose what to do with yourself). That's it.

The purpose of government is not to protect your morals. It's to protect EVERYONE's morals. You're just butt hurt because people are able to hold morals that are contradictory to your own, and you feel you must use the power of government to stop those types of shenanigans.

 

No, you and other cons use government to enforce your morals on others. You're just butt-hurt because you cons have been shown that you use government. Tough luck hypocrite.

You have no problem forcing marriage on others if it's something you approve of.

 

Sure you are looking for a gotcha moment. I threw you a pitch straight down the center of the plate. You could have said, "Okay, well what do you value that other progressives disagree with?" if you were interested in a conversation not about your own bias.

 

Rabbit is a good analogy... Progressives are r selected. Eating and screwing are their strategy for survival. They believe that resources require little effort to create and even less effort to consume. Since resources are unlimited there is no reason to compete for them. Thus, their strategy is to shelter among numbers to increase their chances against predators, & create as many offspring as possible with little attention to quality. They don't have to be the strongest fastest smartest rabbit. They just have to be stronger faster and smarter than the rabbits surrounding them.

Conservatives on the other hand....we're the predators.

 

Well if simply repeating yourself equals argument then we're done here.

Otherwise you can answer the question, I asked. When did I use government to enforce my morals on others? You can name a specific law I wrote perhaps?

 

So are those progressive values or not. Are you a progressive or not?

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Thank you. Finally we are getting somewhere. I would guess you are not a progressive.

 

Bernie Sanders calls himself a progressive. Is he correct? And are his moral values mirrored by the average US liberal/progressive?

 

If by "predators," you mean - "Dudes who hang out on the internet all day beating their chests while mast'rbating on
their keyboard to pictures of John Wayne ..."

Seriously? "Predators"? Do you have a masked uniform with a big "P" on the chest?

 

Do you disagree that r selected liberals view K selected conservatives as predators?

 

Interesting ... and telling.

You question the self-listed values of a poster who has shown a liberal point of view in his posts.

You accept the "values" of a poster who has consistently posted with a conservative point of view.

Does the term "conformational bias," mean anything to you? Cause the discussion above would pretty much be
the a textbook version.

 

I pretty much think that most liberals on these boards view the conservatives on these boards as wanna-be John Wayne's who
spend their days behind keyboards claiming roses grow from conservative butts ...

"Predators,"? Please.

I spent the first 50 years of my life hunting and fishing - spent my summers in a cabin with no electricity. I can still put three
rounds from a .300 in a 3 inch circle at 200yds. But I would hardly be pretentious enough to consider myself a, "predator".

 

So all of that talk about conservatives killing black people because they're black, stealing from the poor, abusing women & children...that has nothing to do with the liberals thinking they are being preyed upon by powerful conservatives?

huh...

 

I am just a curious person. So far, you have not provided even a basic list of what progressive values are even though you claim to know what values consistent liberal and conservative posters here have.

Every person in here is biased to some degree, and your failure to provide even a basic list of progressive values suggests progressives don't have any worth sharing.

 

This particular progressive believe things have to change along with changes in technology, good science and demand, and cannot be held in check by convention or dogma or comfort level. This DEPENDS on the individual and the human mind, unlike conservatism which professes to depend on the individual but behaves more like a shoal of sardines.

 

Even a marshmallow can provide more substance than this.

 

Betrayal, obviously ...

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They don't really have any moral values. Their only goal is to gain power and control. Any issue they claim to have, whether it be gay rights, women's rights, minority rights, etc can, and has, been put on the backburner when politically expedient.

 

Notice the three groups that Brewskier doesn't want to have any power.....women, gays, minorities....

he admits it.

 

How about you?

Would you be so kind as to list what progressive moral values might possibly be?

 

Non-sequitur. Another failure in comprehension for Gorn.

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1) Democrats winning
2) Union coffers flush with cash

Pretty common motivations amongst middle aged white male progressive Democrats.

 

How about "The 1890s were not Utopia"?

How about people's race, gender, sexuality, etc. is not a basis for discrimination?

How about "Mind your own business" as far as anybody else's uterus?

How about "Don't start wars against countries that don't attack you"?

How about listening to guys like Teddy Roosevelt and Dwight Eisenhower (Republicans) on things like taxes and social spending vs. military spending?

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No.....your position over many posts over many years.

You just slip up and admit it every now and then. You want to make sure women, gays, minorities....have no power in this country.

 

Why don't I list "progressive values"? Well, because I'm a pretty poor progressive (I just play one on these forums because "centrist" doesn't exist here).

I'm for private ownership of guns.
I'm for balanced budgets and fiscal responsibility.
I'm for private business ownership.
I think government needs to be bound by the Constitution.

I just don't think gay people are any less Americans because they are gay.
I just think the illegal immigration problem needs to be solved by making a better path to citizenship rather than with walls and guns.
I think that every dime spent on outlawing abortion is money that could have been spent on free condoms and day-after-pills. Things
that are actually effective.
I've been friends with the monsters under my bed since I was 8. Xenophobia is for children - not a plank in a political party's manifesto.