What are Progressive Values?

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  1. Greataxe

    Greataxe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    From the list it seems that progressive moral values at least include issues like gun ownership, homosexuality and abortions.
     
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    Daniel Light Well-Known Member

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    And?

    That's like saying that conservative values include Satanic rituals and illegal immigration and abortions. So what?
     
  3. Greataxe

    Greataxe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So what I'm getting here:

    Homosexuality should be promoted.

    Natural male/female differences should be ignored or abolished whenever possible.

    If race and ethnicity are to be no basis for discrimination, then you must support the elimination of all government data collection and policy issues on race. Such as elimination of affirmative action and voting disputes using racial information.

    If you don't want abortions to be anyone's business, then you certainly wouldn't want the government to pay for them or regulate them.

    On warfare, should we never support an ally like South Korea if they are attacked? Is the 2nd War in Iraq the only war that the US should not have been involved in?

    Do you support a highly graduated income tax system as we have now (Marxist)---or a flat type tax?
     
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    The core of progressive philosophy is that people should work together for everyone's benefit; they particularly believe that the government should be used to improve the lives of the less fortunate. This is a fundamental moral value, and regardless of whether or not you support it, if you do not understand it and do not concede that it is a moral value, you are a blind partisan idiot.

    People should work together for everyone's benefit. People should not be discriminated against for their race, creed, gender, or sexual orientation. We should be honest about our history of oppression, even as we were working towards the ideals of freedom. People with power should not be allowed to exploit people without it. Government should be responsive to the needs and desires of the people.

    All of these are progressive moral values.
     
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    Greataxe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Thank you for your views.

    However----what entitlements should we NOT give "the poor" here in 2016 America?

    What can be done to encourage the welfare underclass to work, to support their own family, and to become assets when they can get over $40,000 a year in free benefits for dropping out of school and having an unwed child?
     
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    So if I understand you. Conservatives

    Are homophobic
    Anti-abortion
    Racist
    Xenophobic
    They favor as many foreign wars as possible
    Want to shift the tax burden to the poor and middle class (flat tax)

    Or is that just you.
     
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    I think this is the official GOP platform
     
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    BestViewedWithCable Well-Known Member

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    Progressive values are about reducing the earning potential of all citizens down to the earning potential of the least capable citizen.

    Once everyone is equally poor and dependent of the government, then and only then can progressive utopia be realized.
     
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    In some alternate universe.

    In fact that's closer to what the GOP and conservative economics has done to this country
     
  10. Greataxe

    Greataxe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    From what I've put together so far:

    Progressive Values:

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    Destroy Traditional Christian Moral Laws and Values.

    Promote non-traditional marriages, and phase-out the nuclear family.

    Demand select ethnicities not be punished equally or at all for their crimes when they of course do them disproportionately.

    Deny personhood and civil rights for unborn humans except if they are harmed from a product from an evil corporation.

    Promote Homosexuality.

    Sexualize children and promote pedophilia.

    Promote all forms of sexuality to eventually include beastiality.

    Promote a One World Order ran by Progressive Socialists that should look like a utopia---but will end up looking like North Korea.

    Is that about right?
     
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    You left out one

    Promote killing kittens as a national sport.

    Could your list be more ridiculous.....it is laughable.
     
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    Greataxe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Where are the conservative Christians demanding any of the above (except cat killing)????

    I think the list is just spot-on.
     
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    FLDS is conservative Christian therefore conservative Christian values are polygamy. Westboro Baptists is conservative Christian so conservative Christian values are to hate gays and picket funerals.

    Hay.....this broad brush paints really well. LOL
     
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    Seems like you don't intend to listen to what non-conservatives are actually trying to tell you about values.

    Maybe you should have rather titled this thread: "My delusional projection of progressive values, based on right wing bubble thinking"

    Must be a pretty sad life when you assume that more than half the population in the country you live in appear to you as some form of the devil.
     
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    Greataxe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Boy, you're really reachin' here. You mention a radical sect of Mormans----hardly mainstream conservative Christians.

    Then the Westboro "Church" is just a cult and with a crazy agenda that is supported by no mainstream conservatives. They are no more of a conservative church than Rev. Jim Jone's Peoples Temple was a church.

    Why didn't you add the Lord's Resistance Army to your list?
     
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    Are you suggesting the list you gave is the central core of MAINSTREAM progressives in this country? You are digging a deep hole there buddy.
     
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    The question is subjective. I argue that republicans are progressive as the party is continually evolving. As for moral values the morals of individuals in large groups will vary from person to person as morality is not universally agreed upon.
     
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    Who gets to decide what constitutes a value and by what authority?

    That is the biased view.
     
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    A simple observation of the Republican Party and conservatives in general reveals progressive ideals as being a republican or a conservative is not some static universally agreed upon ideal.
     
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    You take a simple idea, and then go where that leads. For example, utilitarians start with the basic premise that morality is derived from maximizing utility. From there, you can lay the moral groundwork for everything from economics to architecture to the application of violence, to the proper role of the state.

    What is that simple maxim which binds progressives together?
     
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    And where it leads is relative to an individual assessment thus subjective as opposed to agreed upon by all in a group.

    IMO the boundary that seperates an action from an immoral action is harm. What constitutes harm is relative to an individual assessment thus subjective.

    Change, which we see in both the left and the right in this election cycle. Progress is not limited to the left.
     
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    First, I would point out to you and every other right-winger that the vast majority of people on welfare are already working-- sometimes more than one job-- and that the majority of the remainder are incapable of doing so. Your narrative about dole bludgers is utterly false. It is a hateful, mean-spirited fiction ginned up to justify policies that benefit the rich at the expense of everyone else.

    But second, I would agree with you that our current welfare system does create a moral hazard, in that it actively penalizes people for trying to get off of assistance and out of poverty. (Of course, this is largely because of right-wing "reforms", but still.) So I would propose an alternative-- instead of having dozens of means-tested social welfare programs with byzantine rules, we pay every American citizen a monthly pension that is sufficient for a reasonable living, and then allow people to earn more money on top of that if they are willing and able. This way, nobody is ever penalized for working and people are encouraged to earn and invest their way out of poverty instead of being trapped in it by the welfare system.

    As a further benefit, this would allow us to abolish a goodly number of other workplace regulations that stifle small business and add to the regulatory overhead of big business. The minimum wage, the payroll tax, OSHA... all gone, in favor of a free marketplace for labor in which neither labor nor management is coerced.
     
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    Pretty much this. They'll mock you for posting this, of course, because as Alinsky says in his book, ridicule is their most effective weapon in promoting their agenda.
     
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    Or that ridicule is appropriate when the post is idiotic. LOL
     
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    Nah, I'd put that figure at about 10-20%, which includes many of the ones on this site who are actively pushing these goals and are well aware of the end game. The majority who side with them are largely oblivious.
     
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