What are Progressive Values?

Just hearsay and soothsay. We pay our politicians to do a good job in office. Why not simply start drafting people to public office, and simply shoot them if they don't do a good job? it is, allegedly, times of war, after all.

 

You're f___king delusional.

the US afraid of losing coontrol of completely ill conceived balkanization strategy which throws the entire globe into chaos. this is not what gene sharp had in mind when he came up with his deplorable soft power "color revolutions" which were supposed to be less destructive than total, all out war. But that model failed so you have CFR people going to scorched earth mode. so much media like the NYT (especially on the classified yemen) is corporate censors it imposiible to open source, but tony needs to start using other diverse sources/ the last time we examined this subject, the great petras had to lay it on us. This article shows just how much reporting about the policy is "embedded" type censorship. The Pakistani PM also attempted to conceal the fact that the drone strikes on his own citizens were in fact the United States also. The US govmnt is continually trying to cover up the fact that they are the worlds policemen by hiding behind nato,the gcc puppets, coalitions of the willing, despoys and puppet dictators. It doesn't fly anymore, the size of the pentagon budget, pointless wars of american origin, grred and plunder, its obvious the new world order is an american plot. and in yemen they are trying to bomb the worlds poor and oppressed into submission.

anyone who votes democrat anymore after the obama-hillary led carnage in libya, syria is a coward and is a supporter of mass killing and destruction. the utter hypocrisy of progressives who call themselves as such and have demonstrated themselves to being nothing more than democrat party cheerleaders pointing the finger at neocons/israel for democrat supported wars is indefensible.

(e.g.) the cable held by merkel, re: the 50,000 ukraine dead was censored by almost every prog radio/blog; the 2,000 airstrikes on iraq syria would have been way more than adequate to destroy isis if it was the actual target of the obama admin; how ebola was used as a false pretext for africom to invade; stories that could be told in 10 minutes but were excised completely. jack blood was the only one to describe that latter africa invasion, but instead took a week of fear ebola stuff, just like his week of fear vaccines in previous weeks, or fear flouride in the water, and the venezula coup attempt was only explained by mike malloy after a phone caller introduced it, it was complete censorship, maybe because it is so damning of the peace prize 'lesser of two evils' script so many radio hosts are using. when the left hand of the new world order is hiding timely reporting behind its back, the right arm displays the media elites tabloid hand of right v. left food fight.


THE ENDLESS WARS bankrupted America and impoverished its people -

Obama bailed out like Reagan and BCCI and other banks, Clinton wants more of the same!

 

So did the Democraps crown their next queeny last nite?

On the graves of 250,000 dead Syrians as well?

Maybe they should have turned the convention into one big Satanic ritual and sacrficed a goat in a pool of blood?

 

Yes, the Demon Queen was crowned last night. I didn't watch it but I understand they performed 666 simultaneous abortions on stage as a tribute to Moloch. Then Hillary bathed in their blood to try and restore her youth. Then she said if elected she would summon the ancient demon god known as "The Great Blasphemer" and bring hell to earth.

But I think all that was in the Democrat Party platform already.

 

The best way to describe the values of progressives is freedom and freedom can only come from constant, life-long education.

We want everyone to be free to make the best choices in their lives. That's why we advocate for the increased funding for and extension of public education. Recently, education has come to mean a way to get a job and be "successful". But it is about more than that. Education is about learning how to learn, to think critically, to ask questions, to research. We believe everyone should have these skills so they can inform themselves on issues which concern them and their well-being and vote based on that information. We believe people should be educated about their bodies - that means sex education in school so they can learn not only the consequences of sex (pregnancy, STDs, etc) but also the ways to avoid them (condoms, birth control, abstinance). We beleive people should have the freedom to improve their lives by asking for a living wage. We understand why this concept is frightening for Regressives: it's not about money (if it was, corporations would be hiring Japense CEOs to tele-commute and pay them about a sixth the salary). It's about power - the power to create and control a docile workforce. We believe in the freedom of people to exercise their God-given rights to the same extent everyone else does. That is why we are so concerned with the "influence gap" rather than the wealth gap. We recognize that the wealth gap isn't "bad" in an of itself, but rather what it creates - the "influence gap" is. A citizen shouldn't be kept from their public officials simply because they do not have the money to make a sizable campaign contribution.

Does that clear things up a bit?

 

What is with this denial PF members have about American military mass murder policy - FULL SPECTRUM DOMINANCE - the current policy literally means that wherever there is oil/gas the US WILL INVADE and overturn the government. This is the current reality. A 2-star American general is running the war on Yemen bombing them to death - not the Saudis who barely have an army - Blackwater is all over the globe - and daniel palos is going on w/ this Constititutional malarchy which was shredded 16 years ago after 9/11 ...

 

Yes - but what happens when all the so- called 'progressive' are aligned with the Democrat Party and/or the Defense Dept and CIA linked Foundations?



The common theme at 'progressive' news sites/radio/TV is the BIG LIE is that the U.S. war on Yemen is being done by Saudi Arabia but:



"Despite the civilian toll from the airstrikes, top U.S. military officials haven’t shied away from talking about their involvement in planning the war. American military personnel are currently working out of a Saudi Arabian planning center helping the Saudis plan the daily airstrikes and providing intelligence help to coordinate flights, Lt. Gen. Charles Q. Brown Jr., the commander of the U.S. Air Force’s Central Command, told an audience earlier this month at the Dubai Air Show."

http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/11/23/in-yemen-a-saudi-war-fought-with-u-s-help/

and:

"According to the Congressional Research Service, Washington and Riyadh inked $90 billion in weapons sales between 2010 and 2014, including the transfer of fighter jets, attack helicopters, missile defense systems, armored vehicles, and missiles and bombs. A 2010 deal worth $29 billion included 84 new F-15SA jets, and thousands of bombs to be loaded onto them. In April, a State Department official told Defense News that the United States is "making every effort to expedite security assistance to [Saudi] coalition forces."

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/07/saudi-arabia-yemen-civilian-casualties

Like in Syria - the American war on Yemen, which is being run by a United States 2-star General, has been targeting civillian infrastructure. But 'progressive' sources doing revisionist history, lies and censorship during election time won't challenge Obama-Hillary ...

"Sixty-three health facilities were attacked, the U.N. verified, and basic“services and infrastructure in Yemen are on the verge of total collapse.”

(edit)

"Civilian non-combatants experience the most devastating consequences from the bombing campaign, evidenced in part by disturbing reports of hospitals, an ambulance, a popular market — and even a wedding — destroyed by airstrikes. After a bomb on March 15 killed at least 120 people shopping at a bustling marketplace in Mastaba — the lone market in its entire district — questions began circulating about the possibility these airstrikes constitute war crimes."

http://www.mintpressnews.com/nearly...tarving-us-saudi-backed-bombing-yemen/215260/

 

The Lamestream media message is clear: ELECT HILLARY, FOUR MORE WARS, ILLEGAL IRAQ AND SYRIA SLAUGHTER BY THE U.S. GOVMNT AND ITS SUBSERVIENT LYING MEDIA BASTARDS ARE THE NORM IN OUR COMPUTER RIGGED VOTING, FASCIST, AND IMPERIALIST OLIGARCHY.

 

Notice that sudden reaction by Han Solos son (dressed as the new Vader) when the General announces his plan to destroy the planets, or when he wavers when Han Solo confronts his son - this is not how evil works - there is no grey area as our politicians use excuses such as 'bad intelligence' on Iraq, ISIS, or 9/11. Evil is diabolic, pre-planned slaughter, war is no accident.


Kylo Ren - Best Scenes - HD (Spoilers)


[video=youtube;zy-wqB4cbT8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zy-wqB4cbT8[/video]

 

Yeah -

Hollywoods other war propaganda films are somehow just a coincidence ... Matt Damon in 'Green Zone ' (2010) looking for Iraqs WMD.

or:

Kevin Costner has to find an albino terrorist "trying to smuggle a dirty bomb into Syria" in '3 Days to Kill' (2014)



Yeah -

Hollywood and the Pentagon NEVER attempt to justify or brainwash the public w/ war mentality


Yeah -

And what was that other Leonardo DiCaprio Hollywood BS - Body of Lies [2008] where Leo makes reference to the fictional leader of al-Queda in Iraq, Zarquawi that Anderson Cooper spent years lying about on CNN. In truth, the Wolf Brigade and other death squads responsible for torture, mutilations, and drilling holes in the head of the home grown Iraqi insurgents were run by the CIA and Blackwater during the Bush years. There was no 'al-Queda in Iraq' just home grown everyday Iraqis opposing illegal U.S. invaders. The 'al-Queda in Iraq' cover story was created to conceal U.S. death squad war crimes like the Contras did in Nicaragua.

 

I blame it on a lack of wartime tax rates to prove our politicians are really really serious about really really serious times of war.

 

As a former prog and current liberal leftist, I am compelled to agree with this. While laughing.

 

Looks like America has its list of Senators like Vader and Darth Maul in DC.



Nobel Peace Prize-Winner Obama Dropped 23,144 Bombs in 2015

"The United States in the past year dropped more than 20,000 bombs on Muslim-majority countries Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen and Somalia, according to a study by the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR)."


https://alethonews.wordpress.com/20...ize-winner-obama-dropped-23144-bombs-in-2015/

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excerpt from CFR study:

"This estimate is based on the fact that the United States has conducted 77 percent of all airstrikes in Iraq and Syria, while there were 28,714 U.S.-led coalition munitions dropped in 2015. This overall estimate is probably slightly low, because it also assumes one bomb dropped in each drone strike in Pakistan, Yemen, and Somalia, which is not always the case."

http://blogs.cfr.org/zenko/2016/01/07/how-many-bombs-did-the-united-states-drop-in-2015/


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Russian Official: U.S. Not Bombing ISIS At All… Obama Lying to the American People

http://toprightnews.com/russians-say-u-s-not-bombing-isis-at-all-obama-lying-to-the-american-people/


Why Is The U.S. Silently Bombing Syria's Electricity Network?

http://www.moonofalabama.org/2015/10/why-is-the-us-silently-bombing-syrias-electricity-network.html

Obama’s “Fake War” Against CIA’s Islamic State ISIS: Protected By The US And Israel.



"Meanwhile, the ISIS which is construct of US intelligence, trained and financed by the US and its allies (including Saudi Arabia, Turkey) [I have my doubts about S. Arabia because they have dropped the Kissinger petrodollar for sole settlement of oil and they are aligning with China] has not been defeated. On the contrary it has extended its grip throughout the Middle East.

The bombing raids in Syria, Iraq and more recently Yemen have not been the object of protests by the anti-war movement, nor has been considered a criminal undertaking under international law . The bombing raids have been portrayed by the media as part of a counterterrorism operation. The “Global War on Terrorism” has been accepted as a humanitarian undertaking."

Obama?s ?Fake War? Against CIA?s Islamic State ISIS: Protected By The US And Israel. | Political Vel Craft

 

I think Rand Paul demonstrated genuine desire for change w/ the drone filibuster, opposing U.S. war on Syria, or at least recognizing it as another Iraq quamire / war crime.

They speak truth esp. Ron Paul and Daniel McAdams of the Ron Paul Institute RE: Syria and war in general.

I would vote for Rand Paul before ever considering Jill Stein.

Do you not find Ms. Steins 11th hour appearance at Democracy Now, and timed to the betrayal of Bernie to anti-war supporters to hawk Hillary a little convenient - Stein has not articulated an anti-war stance or anti Syria/Iraq intervention public speech or advocacy. We realize everyone cannot be Cindy Sheehan. However, I find her platatudes on 'climate change' a bit absurd when we have 8 million starved by U.S. NWO hegemony in Yemen, or those dead from war, disease, lack of medicine,nutrition in Iraq and Syria, trapped by U.S. merecenaries in Aleppo or Falluja. Lets talk Turkey Ms. Stein. Puh-leeze.

Censorship – A Liberal Value

Michael Cavlan was the Minnesota Green Party endorsed candidate for U.S. Senate in 2006.

"For the record, this behavior of refusal to allow myself to speak at “progressive” groups continues. When David Cobb came to Minneapolis to speak at a Move To Amend event, I attempted to ask a question. However since you had to write your question and have the presenter ask it, I knew it would not be asked. At the event David Cobb, former Green Party presidential candidate stated to a room full of Democrats that “I have been asked and no, I do not believe that we need another political party.” He then thanked the elected Democratic Party officials sitting in the room."

https://coto2.wordpress.com/2012/03/15/censorship-a-liberal-value/

 

What is funny about 250,000 dead people in the war on Syria, which never would have started in the first place had it not been for Pres. Obama and Sec. of State Hillary Clinton "Assad Must Go" policy speeches and stategy?

 

This is a potentially interesting discussion, but as happens so often here, it has been swamped by people looking to demonize rather than to understand those they disagree with.

I suggest that if you want to know what liberal values are, your best bet is to go ask folks in a liberal forum and listen what they have to say. You'll get a variety of conflicting responses, but it will give you a much better idea than a thread here will.

 

Their slogan says it all....What's mine is mine, what's yours is negotiable

 

Since when do progressives have values, all they have is dictates.

 

If you go to a strictly liberal forum all you'll get is a bunch of Democrat dittoheads talking the Party line - that is NOT Progressive. You'll get blind followers and lies like those calling the Rush Limbaugh Show or Thom Hartman, you won't get objective reporting, and hard facts.

Facts like ISIS isn't really an autonomous terror group fight America. And that technically - ISIS doesn't really exist. ISIS is really groups of co-ordinated U.S. and Western trained mercenaries and militias, armed and given financing at military bases, secured and set up by Pres. Obama himself - by negotiation with Erdogan in Turkey and bases he opened negotited with the Jordanian Government, so that America could remove Assad from power. Groups like the 'Free Syrian Army' and al-Nusra received aid from U.S., French, and Turkish special forces along the Turkish border and inside Syria. Co-ordinated groups sometimes use I-Phones supllied by the U.S. taxpayer, just like their guns, jeeps, night-vision goggles, and ammo. They get an I-Phone heads up phone call when the U.S. goes on an airstrike with American planes and pilots flown into Syria so that the U.S. armed 'Free Syrian Army' and al-Nusra can evacuate the area and be tracked by GPS w/ their American provided I-Phone. America does all this while millions of people go to bed hungry every night in the United States. Anyways, those same forces America trained travelled back to Iraq, repelled by the Syrian military, and they invaded Mosul. There was no battle. There was a warning given to the Iraqi army and they fled. The U.S. death squads eupemestically called 'ISIS' by the lying U.S. Lamestream media were re-supplied in Iraq by Pres. Obama and Hillary Clinton and then proceeded to remove Iraqi Pres. Maliki from power and re-assert U.S. control of Iraq with U.S. trained mercenaries co-ordinated with Jihadi death squads. During this period, Sen John McCain met twice with the leadership of the newly renamed and re-branded U.S. death squads the lying politicians and MSM refer to as 'ISIS.'


That paragraph is ethical reporting. That paragraph is objective 'Progressive Values'.The truth I just told you is above and beyond Limbaughs and Hartmans dittohead radio listeners brainwashing the public with 'climate change' and 'immigration' demagoguery. It is ethical beyond the bought and paid for 'embedded' reporting, and is truth contrasted with the lies of Democrat/GOP propagandists on PBS, CNN, FOX, NBC or CBS. Those ethics and truth in reporting are 'Progressive Values'.

 

Stealing Syria’s Oil: The EU/Al-Qaeda oil consortium

http://dissidentvoice.org/2013/05/stealing-syrias-oil/

STEPHEN LENDMAN IS THE BEST COMMENTATOR, HANDS DOWN ...

look for his radio guest spots on YouRube as well - peace

Speaking Truth to Empire with Steve Lendman – FREE PODCAST LINK HERE

http://www.therussophile.org/speaking-truth-to-empire-with-steve-lendman-veterans-today.html/

Setting the record straight on Syria

http://rabble.ca/podcasts/shows/progressive-voices/2013/05/setting-record-straight-on-syria

some more informative radio shows

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=327866&p=1065047738#post1065047738

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=394875&p=1064713964#post1064713964

 

Sorry Bernie Sanders and Jill Stein supporters - I am not here to offend you BUT Jill Stein won't speak TRUTH ON SYRIA or ISIS (Obama - Hillary started the war created ISIS in bases in Jordan,Turkey and they first invaded Syria). Jill Stein wont tell the truth about the American phony 'war on ISIS' (ISIS is a U.S. ally) - she failed to do so on PBS Newshour this week and in previous interviews -

Jill Stein on War & Peace

(LIE)

" ISIS grows out of chaos that we created in Iraq. We need a foreign policy based on international law, human rights, and diplomacy, instead of militarism. Our current foreign policy has been an outright incredible disaster. Drones and torture have especially been damaging.

The past decade of endless war on terror has been an unmitigated disaster which is now blowing back at us in the proliferation of extremist groups. ISIS itself grows directly out of the chaos; we see this in Iraq through ten years of vicious warfare and sectarian conflict that was promoted by our policies in Iraq. "

http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Jill_Stein_War_+_Peace.htm

 

I am not inclined to believe something just because Wikileaks says so.

We knew many things before Wikileaks validated them. Like how Obama started Libya, Syria, created ISIS/ the FSA/al Nusra - essentially one group NEVER FOLLOW ONE SOURCE BLINDLY

Wikileaks may very well be an operation designed by the military to get news readers to see the forest despite the trees.

People here at PoliticalForum run around posting Wikileaks blindly like they are automatically facts, or 'newsworthy' bombshells.

The truth is Government documents, intelligence, histories, briefings can be WRONG, FALSIFIED, OR FAKED, depending on whose agenda is being presented. Maybe an intel agent had an a specific staunch belief system, or maybe a U.S. Ambassador had a political leaning or was just plain wrong, maybe spies had a mission to accomplish tasked to them by higher-ups.

Wikileaks has minimized the Clinton Foundation corruption and bribes by defense contractors and foreign donors thusfar, and Julian Assange looks more like a phony damage control artist more than anything, the sheer numbers are in the billions not hundreds of thousands, for example.






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Korean film exposes Western propaganda -

in 10 short segments aprox 1 hour


[video=youtube;xOGPwhTWZk8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOGPwhTWZk8[/video]


[video=youtube;RfAoEbHivhs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfAoEbHivhs[/video]

 

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