What are the enemies of democracy?

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  1. Talon

    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    LOL - Robert Reich proves once again that introspection and self-awareness are not "progressive" traits.

    Democrats and the Left are guilty of all three of the things he is hypocritically whining about.

    And somebody needs to remind him and the rest of the Babeuvian Illiterati that America is a republic, not a democracy....
     
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    Voting by mail is far from antiquated. Has no one explained this process to you? It does seem like you may be deliberately not looking it up for yourself. Allow me to enlighten you:

    https://ballotpedia.org/Voting_in_Colorado

    Colorado and a few other states have been vote by mail for years, with very few minor attempts at fraud. The process from the voter's view:

    1. I registered online when I moved here three years ago. I was sent a snail mail confirmation of my registration status. Ballots are only mailed out to currently registered voters whose signatures are in the state's database.

    2. My ballot arrives in my mail box. It is imprinted on the ballot and the return envelope with a bar code unique to just me. I study the candidates and issues that are up for a vote, then mark my ballot.

    3. I place my ballot in the included, pre-addressed return envelope, and sign the outside of the envelope with the same signature I used when I got a Colorado driver's license. (BTW, when you register online, they use the signature from the DMV if you have a driver's license or state ID, but if not, I think they have you go to the DMV and supply a signature to go with your registration.)

    4. I drive up to a single-purpose drop box (for me, it's the one across the street from post office) and drop it in. There has never been a line of more than a couple of cars. I can do this anytime, starting two weeks before the election date.

    5. Once collected, before opening the envelope, the signature is compared with the one in their database.

    6. Only when my signature is verified do they open the envelope and place my ballot, with my unique bar code, in the stack to be processed by the ballot reading machine. These machines are very accurate at reading the ballots; no way to fudge those results.

    In the years that voting has been done this way, there have been far fewer issues of possible cheating than there were before, not more.

    If you can read the state's rules in that link and find a way to commit the sort of massive, outcome-changing kind of fraud that Trump and his supporters keep whinging about, please do tell. Ignorance in the information age is a choice.
     
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    Voting by mail, with today's technology, is much more secure. See #84.
     
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    Are you claiming the ability to assess someone's intelligence (or lack thereof) by their comments on a forum? That sounds like a great trick. How do you do it? (And who may be judging you?)
     
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    Sure, but no political party has fostered those. Except the Republican Party which did foster overthrowing the will of the people expressed in the ballots, and all the actions surrounding the failed coup.
     
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    Good grief! Both you and @Aristotle66 seem to lack the ability to use Google. It took me less than five seconds to find this:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Reich

    If Reich's accomplishments are of interest, try:-

    "He has published 18 books which have been translated into 22 languages,[11] including the best-sellers The Work of Nations, Reason, Saving Capitalism, Supercapitalism, Aftershock: The Next Economy and America's Future, and a best-selling e-book, Beyond Outrage."

    ... for starters. Not to mention, the man is a Rhodes Scholar, and there is only one of those each year.

    Geebus. You guys sound like kids shouting insults across a schoolyard.
     
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    i know people that got more ballots than people in the household
    If you are so sure there was no foul play then im sure the left won’t mind going back to traditional, secure voting
     
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    Yes there was. Single cases in a handful of states that authorities have dealt with or are dealing with. The job our election officials performed this cycle is nothing short of miraculous: 67% of our 73% of registered voters cast a vote. Do the math and it’s an error rate (handful of cases cited above) that any business would salivate over.

    How complaints over process became “fraud” is beyond me but that’s what one hears—process complaints—from those that are adamant there was wide spread fraud this cycle.

    Oh! I agree with RR’s column. I hadn’t seen it. Thanks for posting it.
     
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    Yes!!
     
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    Gee, who would guess the Left would want to put all the blame on the Right and they come off as innocent little darlings.

    It might be true about lawyers, but lets not leave out unions. They a huge donors to the Democratic Party and one reason we can't fix our schools.

    How about the big lies and half truths spread by CNN and MSNBC. Along with refusing to report any of the great things Trump did.

    As for elections, lets go to paper ballots. That's one sure way of getting honest voting.
     
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    The Electoral College did not delay their vote; Congress did not delay the confirmation. Therefore, the Trump campaign had less than two months after the election to prove widespread fraud, which is an impossible endeavor. Again, this is like a killer given the police 5 seconds to search his house, and then, if the police don't find any proof within 5 seconds, then the killer is declared innocent. It's an absurd proposition.
     
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    You can absolutely discern someone's level of intelligence by reading their comments. Anyone can judge me. If they are impartial, they know that I am absolutely brilliant, no cap.
     
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    Then again, Reich predicted a global recession if Trump were elected in 2016.

    His commentary is propaganda,not an honest search for truth.
     
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    That it is truth is also an opinion. No investigation, no truth. It remains an unsettled situation. Sorry.
     
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    I don't think so but it is possible to determine one's level of education. Education and intelligence aren't the same. As one university president said nature hands out intelligence randomly but not opportunity.
     
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    An example of the perfect product of CNN. Thank God their viewership has dwindled down over 80% as most with IQs over single digit figured it out, but there are still those other 20%
     
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    More like the woke left...
     
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    I think you fail to realize that writing books or doing well exclusively within academia doesn't mean much to me. This is doubly so when your predictions in your own field keep being wrong.

    He's just a talking head. That's all.
     
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    To quote Dick Cheney, "I just fundamentally disagree."

    To quote Al Gore, "While I strongly disagree . . . I accept."

    I think you can discern one's level of intelligence in how they think, and you can discern one's level of education in what they think. And you can discover both of these through reading posts.
     
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    Not true.
     
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    It couldn't be more true. If there had been a true investigation of election fraud in 2020 there would be a report on the results of the investigation. There is no such report. The reason is that it was never investigated. I can't tell you how much election fraud there was because I didn't investigate it either. I can't tell you whether it swayed the election. I don't know. Nobody knows.
     
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    Who would you want to do the investigation?
     
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    That's a good question. It might have helped at least a bit if some of the courts actually heard some of the suits.
     
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    It couldn't be more true. If there had been a true investigation of election fraud in 2020 there would be a report on the results of the investigation. There is no such report. The reason is that it was never investigated. I can't tell you how much election fraud there was because I didn't investigate it either. I can't tell you whether it swayed the election. I don't know. Nobody knows.
    The private sector.
     
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    Sorry but Robert Reich is such a moron. He attacked Elon Musk simply for having a big wealth although Musk has very low income.
    Robert Reich gets $40,000 for one hour of speech and he complains about the rich, such a hypocrite!
    He attacks Elon Musk simply because the speculative value of the shares increased but he "forgets" to attack George Soros for example who made 3 billions of pound sterling by stealing it from the British tax payer (Black Wednesday).
    The enemies of the democracy are both political parties and the super-rich who finances them. If you look beyond the circus you can see two political parties with the exact same agenda:
    - Increasing hostilities against China and Russia and maintaining the perpetual war.
    - Increasing poverty, chaos and corruption in the USA.

    Fox News and other conservative outlets are too busy to ridicule the hypocrisy and the idiocy of the Democrats. It is the liberal media who is inciting hysteria, outrage, lies, divisiveness, racism and violence. The Waukesha terrorist attack was a consequence of that propaganda.
    Both the liberal and the conservative media are doing their best to maintain the circus to distract the people's attention from the main problem.
    The biggest problem in the USA and in the West are by far the super-rich (like George Soros for example) who are paying corrupt politicians.
     
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