What are you? Liberal? Conservative? Why?....

Discussion in 'Opinion POLLS' started by ProgressivePower, Jan 18, 2016.

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What are you?

  1. Liberal

    16 vote(s)
    13.7%
  2. Conservative

    28 vote(s)
    23.9%
  3. Centrist

    14 vote(s)
    12.0%
  4. Progressive

    10 vote(s)
    8.5%
  5. Libertarian

    28 vote(s)
    23.9%
  6. Anarchist

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  7. Communist

    2 vote(s)
    1.7%
  8. Socialist

    2 vote(s)
    1.7%
  9. Fascist

    6 vote(s)
    5.1%
  10. Democratic Socialist

    11 vote(s)
    9.4%
  1. XploreR

    XploreR Well-Known Member

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    The biggest leak, and the most dangerous threat to national security today is the man the minority of American voters elected to the Oval Office.
     
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    XploreR Well-Known Member

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    As a living, breathing, practicing liberal, I see NO sign of liberal tendencies in Trump. If you do, could you share your insights?
     
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    The one gigantic hole in your logic is that Trump is himself the epitome of that very rich social elite that has taken over EVERYTHING. How any average Americans could have ever imagined Trump would actually represent their concerns--or be capable of doing so, even if interested--is beyond understanding. Trump was born into incredible wealth, and has never experienced economic hardship or challenge for even an instant at any time in his seven decades of life. Poverty is nothing more than a word to him. Everything he's done since entering the White House has been for the rich at the expense of the lower classes who supported him. How they can be so mentally dense and not see that simple fact continues to perplex and astound the rest of us.
     
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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I chose Libertarian, but only because Classical Liberal and (Almost) Anarchist werent options.

    Im for making govt smaller and smaller until its effects are no longer felt in my life. At that point, I still won't necessarily be comfortable with its authority over the terms of my existance, but I likely won't care that much so long as it does its thing away from me.
     
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    We don't elect presidents by the mob. We have a electoral system to prevent that. You people lost.
    It's as simple as that.
     
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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well I would've voted for the homeless guy, but there wasnt one running. Frankly I would've prefferred to vote for the guy from Dirty Jobs, but between Creepy Cruz, HillaBush, Bush 3, Bernie Sandernista and the rest of the clowns, Trump was by far the least authoritarian option. (Sanders I think was sctually a good guy, but being a 'true believer' in giving the govt more power to regulate the corporations that control the govt is just way to naive to have any beneficial effect).
    Trump may be one of the elite, but hes not 'in the club.' One of the only truthful things Gingrich ever said on TV was about Trump- hes not in the club, he doesnt know the secret handshakes, he hasnt said the secret oaths, hes doesnt go to the secret meetings (or something very similar to all that). Trump is his own person, and while im not too optimistic about The People being able to get him to do what we want, I dont see the Fed, the UN, the banks, the global political cabals getting him to do what *they* wabt either, and that alone is better than any pres we had since JFK.

    Though I dont see Trump ending his presidency any differently than JFK either, but maybe we'll get Glas-Steagle and a few other good things back before Trump 'loses his mind' to the magic bullet.
     
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    There was no option for "other", but I consider myself an authoritarian Social Syncretist. That is why I marked Fascist, seeing as many people refer to me as such. Oddly enough, on a fascist forum called Iron March, I was accused of being too liberal. I am pro choice, pro gun, pro same-sex marriage, and pro death penalty. I am against the liberal "non gender binary movement", but I also support certain sexual fetishes. I am essentially anti religious (though I take more issue with the ideology of religions rather than their belief in the supernatural) and support state atheism. I feel that capitalism is superior to communism. I would have become libertarian, however I am far too strongly in favor of censorship as well as exterminating ideological undesireables.
     
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    Sounds more Libertarian to me simply because of the big one. Limited Government.

    Libertarianism (Latin: liber, "free") is a collection of political philosophies and movements that uphold liberty as a core principle. Libertarians seek to maximize political freedom and autonomy, emphasizing freedom of choice, voluntary association, individual judgment, and self-ownership.

    I do lean right and left depending subject, but once I check off the items.. I chose the above

    - less government - right
    - gun rights - right
    - health care - right
    - less business regulation - right
    - property rights - right
    - abortion - left
    - accountability for police shootings - left
    - gay marriage - left
    - climate change - right
    - funding clean energy research - left

    Basically my politics is based on common sense.
     
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    That's one way to make things simple for yourself, by making assumptions about others.
     
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    I'm not making any assumptions.

    Nor did my post have any angst in it. But if you wanna get your panties in a wad go ahead. By definition the current liberal model is BIG government and it was the first item you listed. I did assume that was important to you. For that I will apologize.
     
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    Being against free trade is a liberal value, not a conservative one. His promising everybody healthcare is another, as well as his love of single payer, which he has expressed even since his presidency. His initital response on gun control (using the terrorist watch list to ban guns) was the major sign. IMHO, we are only a major tragedy away from Trump caving in on gun rights.
     
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    Total bullshit. Trump is Boehner's golfing buddy. He had Bill and Hillary at his last wedding. Trump is as establishment as they come. That's why the Republican establishment caved in so fast to support him. They were afraid that Cruz, who is not the establishment, was going to get the nomination, and they couldn't control him like they could Trump. Newt is about the most over-rated conservative. He's a failure because he couldn't keep it in his pants. Also JFK was in the secret clubs, etc.
     
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    You dont become a billionaire without brushing elbows with the elite political class. This is evidence of nothing.

    Creepy Cruz is a warhawk, a Wall Street insider, a Christian Dominionist (aka Shariah lite) and his campaign was funded in large part by the same organizations that funded Hillary and Bush.

    Obviously. But even a broken clock is right twice a day.

    Show me.
     
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    Am I wrong that the free trade treaties began under Bill Clinton, and continued under both G.W. Bush and Obama? If all three Presidents supported free trade, then how is it that liberals are against it? I'm a liberal and I'm for it, though there are sections of it that have proven disadvantageous and should be altered. Universal healthcare is a liberal idea, but how you conclude Trump supports that when his whole campaign has been to kill Obamacare, and he's strongly supporting the Ryan healthcare fiasco that passed the House, which would remove 23 million Americans from access to health care over 10 years, is completely baffling. Trump neither supports universal healthcare or a single payer system. I know because I DO, and I've been horrified at Trump's willingness to destroy what Obama started rather than try to fix its problems and improve it for all Americans. Trump has been a strong and consistent supporter of the NRA and its guns-for-everyone insanity. As a liberal I find NOTHING Trump has said or done as positive or encouraging to me about gun control.
     
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    Clinton was forced into free trade by Congress. He was a compromiser.

    OF course Trump supports single payer, he just knows that his people won't stand for it.
    http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/05/donald-trump-single-payer-australia-bernie-sanders
     
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    Conservative. Long ago I read both party's platforms. The Democratic platform went into detail again and again about how certain minority groups could not and would NEVER be able to stand on their own two feet and support themselves, and would ALWAYS need help, which our government was obligated to provide. I could never abide by that attitude. So I knew I was conservative and always will be.
     
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    I am a right-leaning Libertarian. I'm more of a social liberal. I think the US has had enough fun in the middle east and now it's time to come home. I think that sanctioning other countries only makes them hate us more and accomplishes nothing.
     
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    To be frank, conservatism can never be order from the government. Self-identifying as "Conservative" and at the same time demanding the government to write the laws that "regulate progressive behaviour" is nothing more than a form of Socialism (left wing-ism). True Conservative can only be born in a free society and in a voluntary interaction. Most "Conservatives" are actually Socialists without knowing it. ;)
     
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    Heard it said today, if you are centrist or middle of the road, you are roadkill. RINOS are "roadkill".
     
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    When people tout they are "very well educated"....it usually means "very well indoctrinated". Liberals ARE very compassionate.....with other peoples money.
     
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    Good poll, check it..

    28+26=54 independent
    15+12+10+2+1+6+10=56 collectivist

    That's pretty dang close

    :salute:
     
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    i am none of the above i am an independent,is there no place for an independent.
     
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    Centrist. Reality is that there is at least some truth in every political philosophy, and we all need to admit it. Some of the gospel passages, for example, evoke pure communism, or maybe communitarianism, as the word "communism" is now associated with mass murderers.

    Philosophically, I am conservative with streaks of Libertarianism, but the liberals are right to push for environmental protection. Or should we allow every orangutan, redheaded duck, elephant and rhino to go the way of the passenger pigeon, all in the name of liberty and free trade?
     

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