What are your views on abortion?

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by Daggdag, Oct 19, 2020.

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Which best describes your view on abortion

  1. A woman has the right to choose to get an abortion with no limitations.

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    47.7%
  2. Abortion should be illegal after the first trimester

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    18.6%
  3. Abortion should be illegal except to preserve the health and life of the mother.

    24 vote(s)
    27.9%
  4. Abortion should be illegal in all circumstances.

    5 vote(s)
    5.8%
  1. Ritter

    Ritter Well-Known Member

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    Such as?


    I thought you said you were not against contraceptives?
     
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    When you say that sex is "primarily for reproduction" is that based on your religious dogma or are you just trying to make a reference to biology and pretend to be "scientific"?

    I am almost 100% certain that a majority of sexual intercourses in the world are not engaged in with the purpose of procreation. Sex for the sake of sex is far more common.

    Human beings are not dogs.
     
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  3. chris155au

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    They specifically say that they are doing it for Allah!

    Actually, I think that mental illness is just as big a factor in Islamic terror attacks as the Atlanta case. I think that you have to be mentally ill in order to believe that killing innocent people in the name of religion is justified. You make a good point about the trucks, but certainly the availability of guns makes these kind of attacks in Atlanta easier than other forms of killing.

    He's only "PROBABLY" mentally ill, but Christianity DEFINITELY played a major role? Surely you can't be serious! You need to work on your logical consistency! Are you absolutely sure that you don't mean, Christianity PROBABLY played a major role?
     
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  4. chris155au

    chris155au Well-Known Member

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    Permanent changes?
     
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    I didn't say that it DOESN'T change their body.
     
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    Yes, some were, some weren't...we are talking about billions of people, they are not all the same.

    BTW forms of contraception (birth control) have been around a long, long time, even the ancient Egyptians had a form of condom.


    Do you still call it "fun" when men rape women?
     
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    Normal, frequent or expectable temporary side effects of pregnancy:

    • exhaustion (weariness common from first weeks)
    • altered appetite and senses of taste and smell
    • nausea and vomiting (50% of women, first trimester)
    • heartburn and indigestion
    • constipation
    • weight gain
    • dizziness and light-headedness
    • bloating, swelling, fluid retention
    • hemmorhoids
    • abdominal cramps
    • yeast infections
    • congested, bloody nose
    • acne and mild skin disorders
    • skin discoloration (chloasma, face and abdomen)
    • mild to severe backache and strain
    • increased headaches
    • difficulty sleeping, and discomfort while sleeping
    • increased urination and incontinence
    • bleeding gums
    • pica
    • breast pain and discharge
    • swelling of joints, leg cramps, joint paininfection including from serious and potentially fatal disease
      (pregnant women are immune suppressed compared with non-pregnant women, and are more susceptible to fungal and certain other diseases)
    • extreme pain on delivery
    • hormonal mood changes, including normal post-partum depression
    • continued post-partum exhaustion and recovery period (exacerbated if a c-section -- major surgery -- is required, sometimes taking up to a full year to fully recover)
    Normal, expectable, or frequent PERMANENT side effects of pregnancy:

    • stretch marks (worse in younger women)
    • loose skin
    • permanent weight gain or redistribution
    • abdominal and vaginal muscle weakness
    • pelvic floor disorder (occurring in as many as 35% of middle-aged former child-bearers and 50% of elderly former child-bearers, associated with urinary and rectal incontinence, discomfort and reduced quality of life -- aka prolapsed utuerus, the malady sometimes badly fixed by the transvaginal mesh)
    • changes to breasts
    • increased foot size
    • varicose veins
    • scarring from episiotomy or c-section
    • other permanent aesthetic changes to the body (all of these are downplayed by women, because the culture values youth and beauty)
    • increased proclivity for hemmorhoids
    • loss of dental and bone calcium (cavities and osteoporosis)
    • higher lifetime risk of developing Altzheimer's
    • newer research indicates microchimeric cells, other bi-directional exchanges of DNA, chromosomes, and other bodily material between fetus and mother (including with "unrelated" gestational surrogates)
    Occasional complications and side effects:

    • complications of episiotomy
    • spousal/partner abuse
    • hyperemesis gravidarum
    • temporary and permanent injury to back
    • severe scarring requiring later surgery
      (especially after additional pregnancies)
    • dropped (prolapsed) uterus (especially after additional pregnancies, and other pelvic floor weaknesses -- 11% of women, including cystocele, rectocele, and enterocele)
    • pre-eclampsia (edema and hypertension, the most common complication of pregnancy, associated with eclampsia, and affecting 7 - 10% of pregnancies)
    • eclampsia (convulsions, coma during pregnancy or labor, high risk of death)
    • gestational diabetes
    • placenta previa
    • anemia (which can be life-threatening)
    • thrombocytopenic purpura
    • severe cramping
    • embolism (blood clots)
    • medical disability requiring full bed rest (frequently ordered during part of many pregnancies varying from days to months for health of either mother or baby)
    • diastasis recti, also torn abdominal muscles
    • mitral valve stenosis (most common cardiac complication)
    • serious infection and disease (e.g. increased risk of tuberculosis)
    • hormonal imbalance
    • ectopic pregnancy (risk of death)
    • broken bones (ribcage, "tail bone")
    • hemorrhage and
    • numerous other complications of delivery
    • refractory gastroesophageal reflux disease
    • aggravation of pre-pregnancy diseases and conditions (e.g. epilepsy is present in .5% of pregnant women, and the pregnancy alters drug metabolism and treatment prospects all the while it increases the number and frequency of seizures)
    • severe post-partum depression and psychosis
    • research now indicates a possible link between ovarian cancer and female fertility treatments, including "egg harvesting" from infertile women and donors
    • research also now indicates correlations between lower breast cancer survival rates and proximity in time to onset of cancer of last pregnancy
    • research also indicates a correlation between having six or more pregnancies and a risk of coronary and cardiovascular disease
    Less common (but serious) complications:

    • peripartum cardiomyopathy
    • cardiopulmonary arrest
    • magnesium toxicity
    • severe hypoxemia/acidosis
    • massive embolism
    • increased intracranial pressure, brainstem infarction
    • molar pregnancy, gestational trophoblastic disease
      (like a pregnancy-induced cancer)
    • malignant arrhythmia
    • circulatory collapse
    • placental abruption
    • obstetric fistula
    More permanent side effects:


    • future infertility
    • permanent disability
    • death.
     
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  8. FoxHastings

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    I posted the effects of pregnancy for the last time for you.

    You have not produced any refutation of it.

    Now, why is "permanent" so important to you?

    It doesn't even matter if it's permanent ...pregnancy harms, affects, injures and causes pain to women....that is fact.
     
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    Maybe he thinks there are no permanent effects because the mothers he has seen downtown and in his family seem to look like normal women. :laughing:

    I have a cousin who was always very thin and she recently had her first child and externally she looks exactly the same (at least when clothed, lol).

    I honestly do not see how anyone can even question this.
     
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    They question it because some Anti-Choicers contend that a ZEF is NOT part of the woman but simply floats around inside her for NO APPARENT REASON for 9 months.

    They deny it because then they, as usual, have no argument....if the ZEF has rights it STILL has NO right to harm another...so they have to deny it harms women even if that means DENYING SCIENCE.
     
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    I never denied that all of those things exist.

    Because that was your claim, and I have been trying to get you to support it. It now seems clear that you cannot support it.
     
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    There ya go, denying those things exist.


    I have supported it , you just refuse to accept it....and you have certainly never proved me wrong...
     
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    They would have been the most useless pieces of crap in the world! I'm talking about MEANINGFUL contraceptive technology. The level of sexual activity sky rocketed with the introduction of the birth control pill. One could argue, and I'm sure many people do, that the sexual revolution would simply not have happened without it.

    I already addressed this ridiculous accusation in the post which you ignored. Why am I not surprised that you ignored YET ANOTHER post! :roflol:
     
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    WTF? This is in response to me saying, "I never denied that all of those things exist?" :roflol:
     
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    It's based on NATURE.

    Yes, but only because of contraceptive technology.
     
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    Unwanted pregnancy.

    I'm not.
     
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    No, it's a response to your :"Because that was your claim, and I have been trying to get you to support it. It now seems clear that you cannot support it."" Post 3062
     
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    No , you didn't...you didn't explain why you think men raping women is "fun"

    If you had an explanation you could have just posted it here ..
     
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    What differentiates us from animals is that we have the capacity to reason. We are not slaves to our instincts and not chained to our nature.

    I personally am.not very fond of evolutionary-psychology's explanatioms to our behaviours.

    Do you think this is bad?
     
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    In which post did I say that "men raping women is fun?"
     
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    What does this have to do with, what sex is primarily for?

    Can you rephrase?

    No, not at all.
     
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    Post # 3034:
    It's not fun for a woman to get pregnant against her will. Sex for MEN on the other hand is ALWAYS fun!

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    What does what sex is primarily for got to do with abortion?
     
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    CONSEXUAL sex for men is ALWAYS fun. They don't bare the same consequences as women. They can just impregnate a woman and run away - never to be seen again.
     
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    Good to see you amend your mistake.

    Now, just because a woman got pregnant does NOT mean she didn't have fun having sex.

    See, having sex and getting pregnant are two different things.


    Again, what does any of this have to do with abortion?
     

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