What Barr said, what Mueller said

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  1. TurnerAshby

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    So Mueller states facts regarding a presidents power to fire being under to purview of congress and you infer that that means he left it one congress.

    We are all adults and if you want something done a certain way it’s on you to use your words to say that.

    Is Mueller a woman?

    Barr “ Hey honey can rule on whether to indict Trump?”

    Mueller “it’s fine you can do whatever you want!”

    Barr “We can’t indict Trump”

    Mueller “OMG how could you I didn’t want you to!”
     
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    You don't follow the news much, do you?

    First, his duties were assigned by the deputy A.G., a Trump appointee. Would you have Mueller tell Rosenstein the assignment was a waste of time?

    Second, this never was about a criminal matter. Mueller never even tried to indict Trump because he knew he couldn't. This is a political matter involving Congress's oversight duties.

    Third, have you read Trump's tweets from Florida? Trump is being hurt, and Congress will carry out its oversight function. Trump knows it.
     
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    Trump is a coward.

    On Thursday he cancelled a scheduled press conference and skipped town hours after the Mueller Report was released. Being a coward, he could not face the White House press corps.

    So, what does he do? He goes to Florida and goes on a Twitter rant for four days. He would not dare make those comments in front of reporters who would ask damaging questions. So, he goes to his favorite private room at Mar-a-Lago and types away, knowing no one is around to question what he is saying.

    What a pathetic little man. Well, he can't stay away from Washington forever. How much longer will he dodge reporters?
     
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    What does following the news have to do with anything?

    OLC guidelines say a sitting president can’t be indicted.

    It does NOT say Mueller couldn’t recommend prosecution to congress.
     
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    So what? Tell me, and be specific, what did I get wrong?

    Can't answer the question? Good, then what I said was the truth.

    This isn't criminal court, and your last sentence makes no sense. In many cases there is substantial evidence, but not enough to convict beyond a reasonable doubt. Mueller didn't even try. He left it up to Congress. Congress decides on impeachment charges, not Mueller and not Barr. But again, the Mueller was never a criminal proceeding because of DOJ rules. It is a political matter.

    Mueller uncovered "multiple links" connecting Trump aides to Russian officials and that there was at least some willingness to collaborate -- like Donald Trump Jr. and the Trump Tower meeting.

    "...if we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state. Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, however, we are unable to reach that judgment. The evidence we obtained about the President's actions and intent presents difficult issues that prevent us from conclusively determining that no criminal conduct occurred," Mueller Report.

    "With respect to whether the President can be found to have obstructed justice by exercising his powers under Article II of the Constitution, we concluded that Congress has authority to prohibit a President's corrupt use of his authority in order to protect the integrity of the administration of justice," Mueller said.

    This is the evidence Barr allowed Congress to see. He refuses to give Congress an unredacted version of the Mueller Report and its underlying evidence. Why? Because Barr is protecting Trump, not his employer, the American people.
     
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    No collluson no obstruction no impeachment
     
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    Trump's fans still have trouble explaining specifically what they are talking about.

    What are you talking about?
     
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    Yeah, that is what I thought.
     
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    I don't think you're a very good listener as Barr specifically said DOJ guidelines had nothing to do with the question of obstruction of justice, because there was no case to make anyway. You should calm down and wait for the congressional hearings.
     
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    These people can't even read. We can never allow them to pick our President again.
     
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    Yep got all your hoax wrong
     
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    Too bad that’s not how it works huh?
     
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    "Barr specifically said." Despite all I and others have said, which you have not questioned, you still haven't caught onto the fact that Barr is biased toward Trump. Incredible. Did you even read the OP before you made that foolish post?
     
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    Where in the OLC guidelines does it say Mueller can’t recommend prosecution to congress? It doesn’t it only says you can’t criminally indict a sitting president so Why didn’t Mueller just outright recommend it?
     
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    Because he couldn’t reach the collusion there was something worth prosecuting. Evidence simply didn’t support it
     
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    Yep the Starr report had the section laying out grounds for impeachment. Mueller could’ve done that too but he didn’t and it wasn’t because of DOJ guidelines
     
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    Where in the DOJ rules does it say you can't indict a sitting president?

    That would be illegal since the Supreme Court has already said you can.
     
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    https://www.justice.gov/olc/opinion...enability-indictment-and-criminal-prosecution

    “Headnotes:
    The indictment or criminal prosecution of a sitting President would unconstitutionally undermine the capacity of the executive branch to perform its constitutionally assigned functions.”


    Still doesn’t explain why if Mueller had solid evidence he didn’t recommend prosecution as there is nothing on that
     
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    Doesn't say you can't do it.

    The Supreme Court ruled on this exact issue in the Clinton case they heard.

    They said that no prosecution could be allowed to interfere with the president's ability to do his job and they left it up to him to make that determination, nobody else.

    So there really is no way to prosecute a president unless he agrees but you can still certainly indict him.
     
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    The entire “OLC guidelines stopped him” is just a built in excuse for the fact that there wasn’t enough evidence to say that he recommends prosecution of obstruction to Congress.
     
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    Yeah, funny how they skip over that part.
     
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    More :blahblah::blahblah: He's doing his job according to the law. Democrats need to stop with the treason already and do their jobs.
     
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    Mueller did find evidence of obstruction and DID say so in the report.

    Barr LIED about what Mueller actually wrote WRT to obstruction!
     
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    Does that mean that all BLOTUS supporters have been Trumpbotomized? :eek:
     
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    The desperate attempt at deflection by Trump loyalists only give force to the Mueller investigation. The string of "what about's" never seems to run out. Regardless, the adults have entered the equation and public hearings are about to begin. These will answer many questions and present a clear roadmap to the White House. The denials and deflections will intensify until the general public turns a collective back on Trump and his loyal followers. The only interesting question is, who will become the next John Dean.
     
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