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What Barr said, what Mueller said

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Sandy Shanks, Apr 20, 2019.

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  1. TurnerAshby

    TurnerAshby Well-Known Member

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    It was an inside joke between me and jack lol
     
    TurnerAshby, Apr 22, 2019
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    Because 2 years ago the question of whether or not a sitting President could be indicted was still up in the air. Clinton was indicted by a grand jury while in office. It wasn't until the Russia investigation started that official DOJ policy became that a sitting president couldn't legally be indicted. It was done for the sole purpose of protecting Trump.
     
    Daggdag, Apr 22, 2019
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  3. PrincipleInvestment

    PrincipleInvestment Well-Known Member

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    Very progressive bit of fascism there. I guess I'm not going to allow my taxes be collected just so (D) majority controlled congress can waste it. #notmypresident is SO 2016. B.A.M.N. is like disco Sandy ... no one wants to hear it anymore.
     
    PrincipleInvestment, Apr 22, 2019
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  4. TurnerAshby

    TurnerAshby Well-Known Member

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    Those guidelines have been there since 1973 with a newer version in 2000

    https://www.justice.gov/olc/opinion...enability-indictment-and-criminal-prosecution
     
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  5. TurnerAshby

    TurnerAshby Well-Known Member

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    Kinda looks like it says 2000 not 2019

    A SITTING PRESIDENT’S AMENABILITY TO INDICTMENT AND CRIMINAL PROSECUTION
    Date of Issuance:
    Monday, October 16, 2000
    Headnotes:
    The indictment or criminal prosecution of a sitting President would unconstitutionally undermine the capacity of the executive branch to perform its constitutionally assigned functions.

    Attachment:
    op-olc-v024-p0222_0.pdf

    https://www.justice.gov/olc/opinion...enability-indictment-and-criminal-prosecution
     
    TurnerAshby, Apr 22, 2019
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  6. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

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    A lot of California dreaming there in fact barr did not sell out and his summary was largely accurate. There is according to the Muller report no evidence that team Trump actively sought out Russian help. There is only evidence that Russian agents tried to penetrate Team Trump and failed.
     
    garyd, Apr 22, 2019
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's a strange way for you to concede. Guess you better keep up the attack on Barr to guard your sanity.
     
    yabberefugee, Apr 22, 2019
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  8. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Two lovesick FBI agents that exposed weaponization of a Federal agency in their lust.....ignored by you!
     
    yabberefugee, Apr 22, 2019
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  9. Sandy Shanks

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    I have no idea, other than the fact it is completely up to Congress as to what they do with the evidence. They would make the determination if there were impeachable charges, not the DOJ. Mueller played by the rules.

    What is your point?
     
    Sandy Shanks, Apr 22, 2019
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  10. Sandy Shanks

    Sandy Shanks Banned

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    Like a lot of Trump's fans, you didn't read the OP. You are just shooting off your mouth without a clue as to what is in the OP. Why do you make yourself look like a fool?

    Mueller specifically said, "With respect to whether the President can be found to have obstructed justice by exercising his powers under Article II of the Constitution, we concluded that Congress has authority to prohibit a President's corrupt use of his authority in order to protect the integrity of the administration of justice."

    That's in the OP.
     
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    I saw that he is just plainly stating a fact though. Why didn’t he take a more firm stance ?
     
    TurnerAshby, Apr 22, 2019
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    My point is nothing stopped Mueller from making a more declarative statement on Obstruction ala the Starr report yet he didn’t
     
    TurnerAshby, Apr 22, 2019
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    Anyone still wondering why Mueller did not indict has their answer.
     
    Lee Atwater, Apr 22, 2019
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    That is talking about the report itself not the summary. Show me one one what has to be in the summary of the report
     
    TurnerAshby, Apr 22, 2019
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    But first they must demonstrate that such use was corrupt and there is no evidence that it was.
     
    garyd, Apr 22, 2019
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    Please note no obstruction offense other than his criticism of the investigation can legitimately be shown, and that is within his rights. Asking comey if something has to be done is not obstruction. Firing Comey for his refusal to inform the public that President Trump was not at that time under investigation can be seen as a bit vindictive but it is not obstruction. Wanting to fire Mueller is not obstruction though actually doing so may have been but given the conclusions reached by the investigation regarding collusion even that is debatable.
     
    garyd, Apr 22, 2019
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  18. Sandy Shanks

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    Did I mention that Trump is a pathological liar?

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    Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump


    Isn’t it amazing that the people who were closest to me, by far, and knew the Campaign better than anyone, were never even called to testify before Mueller. The reason is that the 18 Angry Democrats knew they would all say ‘NO COLLUSION’ and only very good things!

    12:31 PM - Apr 22, 2019

    People close to Trump, including in his own family, his son, his son-in-law, were interviewed by Mueller’s team.
    Among the advisers and aides who spoke with Mueller was his former White House counsel, Don McGahn, two former White House chiefs of staff, Reince Priebus and John Kelly, A.G. Jeff Sessions, fired NSA mike Flynn, deputy A.G. Rod Rosenstein, White House press secretary Sarah Sanders and former strategist Steve Bannon. Michael Cohen, Trump’s former personal lawyer for ten years, also contributed to the Mueller Report.

    Trump is simply lying ... again.

    "Nobody disobeys my orders," Trump said during a walkabout on the South Lawn. So, McGahn, Priebus, Kelly, Bannon, Cohen, Flynn, Sessions, and Rosenstein, all testifying under the penalty of perjury, are all lying, and a proven pathological liar strolling on the south lawn is telling the truth?

    Okay, well, if you want to believe that, be my guest.

    The pure irony is, those who disobeyed his orders saved Trump from the crime of obstruction of justice. If McGahn had Mueller fired, not even the Republicans in the Senate could save Trump.

    Trump does not understand that concept. Amazing.
     
    Sandy Shanks, Apr 22, 2019
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    Sandy Shanks Banned

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    Just learned today from a news report that 80% of the redactions in the Mueller Report was in the section dealing with an alleged conspiracy with the Russian government. Interesting, huh?

    Link? I looked all over for a link. There is none on that specific item.

    What is equally interesting is that what Congress and we are seeing in the Mueller Report is what Trump's appointee permits us to see. Also, Barr will fight in the courts a Congressional subpoena to see the unredacted version of the Mueller Report.

    Why does Barr not want Congress to see the unredacted version?

    What is Barr hiding from our Congressmen?
     
    Sandy Shanks, Apr 22, 2019
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    Another Trump fan who can't deal with today's issues. Why am I not surprised. Trump's fans can't defend Trump. They don't even want to talk about him.

    This one wants to talk about two FBI lovebirds and their love notes. Go figure.
     
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    there is a difference between being open to obtaining info from Russians and 'colluding' with Russia, like colluding with them to spread misinformation or hacking into DNC. So far, Barr is on solid grounds!

    irrelevant and Barr mentioned it as it's what started the whole investigation...

    First, Barr is telling us he asked Mueller directly about this and Mueller confirmed that OLC opinion didn't stop Mueller from determining Trump obstructed justice. You are basically alleging Barr lied about this, something which would be outrageous and surely something Mueller would refute. Sad..

    the rest is just opinions, which are worthless.



    Where did Mueller indicate this? the above doesn't tell me...
     
    Mike12, Apr 22, 2019
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    The only ones being conned are those still inflicted with TDS. The report is out. NO COLLUSION. Trump did not fire Mueller. You get nothing. You 400 plus pages of justifying a witch hunt without actually finding the witch. Russia has interfered in our elections since pre cold war. We meddle in other countries elections all the time.
    Shocking!! The left keeps on whiffing trying to tie Trump to this. We will be looking into Hillary's collusion with Russian intelligence. So at least you got that going for you.:roflol:

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    navigator2, Apr 23, 2019
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    Love birds who were so cozy with a FISA court judge that they just call him Rudy. :roll: Have you forgotten That judge Rudy abruptly recused himself Flynn's case? "Rudy" claimed a family emergency was the reason behind his sudden departure. If that is the case, it would indicate that Mueller didn't report Contreras conflict of interests to FISA's senior justice. Mueller didn't axe the love birds for flirting, or for lamenting Trump. McCabe didn't demote them for that either, because it was "Andy" who underwrote the Trump "insurance policy" scheme, and handed out the (hit)job assignments. So "Andy" knew what Mueller knew about the love birds flirtings with Rudy. McCabe's gonna sing like a love bird to keep that pension.
     
    PrincipleInvestment, Apr 23, 2019
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    Such are the new fascists.
     
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    News paper articles? Really? Barr did not lie about what Mueller wrote. Mueller did not find criminality in obstruction but passed it on as a political football.
     
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