What democratic candidate would you vote for? Warren or Bernie?

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Bernie or Warren?

  1. Bernie

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  2. Warren

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    45.0%
  1. redeemer216

    redeemer216 Well-Known Member

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    I lean Bernie because you know he can't be bought by anyone. Even though he is more left economically than Warren, you at least know he's going to fight hard for the things he believes in as president.

    But honestly I am pretty happy knowing that even if Warren wins, things will continue to go forward and things still might change for the better. At least It's not 2016 where there were no viable lefty candidates. I just don't see how Warren is going to win against Trump.
    There is no parasitism. You can continue to project reform as parasitism (taking the party back to actually supporting the middle class), go ahead. Seems to be you are a leftist reactionary, nothing more. Yes, there is always going to be corruption. The trick is to minimize it by addressing core issues first.

    ...And if Bernie is nominated and budges on getting out of the wars, then truly there is no hope left. He's been in office like 50 years and still hasn't been tempted yet, so I'm fairly hopeful.

    As for creating another party for the justice dems, that could very well happen. It depends what happens through 2024. It may not be necessary even if Warren is elected. Who knows what will happen.
     
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  2. btthegreat

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    Reform is what Dems do for their party. But outsiders can't reform what they are indifferent towards . This party has had centrists, moderates, liberals and progressives for decades and all have a place in it and I welcome all who want to actually be Democrats, but not those who suck nourishment off it, exploit its history, its predominance and its systems, while they demean, belittle and threaten it. I am disinterested in Sanders because he is not really a Dem and I don't think he can win the General election, and I am unsure he will compromise to snatch those little incremental victories that may be the best we can do for right now. Warren is a better pick in my view.

    I am not invested in whether a progressive or a moderate wins, as long as they beat trump and have the political and negociating skills to snatch whatever small victories they can out of Congress, while they position us all for grand bargains should the right moment and the right statesmen allow for them.
     
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    Actually want to be democrats? What is that supposed to mean? How do they threaten it's existence? What are you talking about? You keep projecting nonsense. If they mean to reform it, of course they care about the party remaining in existence. It's the same base, just a slightly modified foundation. You are going insane trying to make this something it's not.

    "and I am unsure he will compromise to snatch those little incremental victories that may be the best we can do for right now"
    Fair enough
     
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    Sanders does not want to be a Dem. He wants to remain independent That is crystal clear by now. Those Sanders followers who drift where he drifts are also not Dems. They can't reform an institution they won't stay anchored with long enough to effectively engage. Those progressive Sanders Dems who have been in the party working for the party, and working with it election after election want to be Dems not as some default, but by passion. We don't want or admire political tumbleweeds as brethren.

    I don't see social democracy as a 'slightly modified foundation' for our party. I see it as offering some intriguing ideas and solutions which we may adapt and embrace.

    The only thing that Sanders did, that pissed me off is change his registration back to 'independent' To me that means he was a quitter of convenience, not a fighter to reform this this party
     
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    Pretty sure Sanders hasn't strayed since he started on this path within the dem party. A lot of progressives have been pretty pissed off about it too especially in 2016 after Hilary got the nom. I'm not sure where you are getting the ideas about tumbleweeds from.
     
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    Regardless of his political labels, he is WITH the dems currently and he's not going to leave them high and dry. That has been proven. That only proves he cares more about issues and policy more than partisanship which is part of why I support him over Warren. We are electing a president of a country, not a party. I don't think Warren can get that general populist cultural support especially against someone like Trump.

    On another note, he will probably retire after his presidency if he were to win so, so it's a little late for tumbleweeds.

    And Bernie himself has said many times he can't do it himself. Progressives are the ones who will be doing the reforming, not just Bernie.
     
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    Well The President is also a standard-bearer for his party. That is one of the roles he plays. He is its face, he is its major influence on platform and policy. He does fundraising for the party, and he mentors young party talent and he campaigns for its candidates. That requires this 'party reformer' to actually show loyalty past a national election that he used to sell his message, to its needs in 2017, 2018 and 2019. He is an independent by choice.
     
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    Yes, if he wins running as a democrat, he is a democrat and is their totem. Pretty sure he knows that. But party is not the end all be all. He's still the president of the US, not the democrats. Don't be ridiculous.

    Also, he already does at least the mentoring thing, NOW.
     
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    Well I want the guy to stay in the race because its good for everyone (except maybe warren) if he keeps on using those debates to expose all of us to his economic justice message. He's a decent guy with shrewd political instincts. I will probably take Warren and Buttigieg over Sanders. Depending on how I see Biden's mental acuity, I might pick Sanders over Biden and I will pick Sanders over Harris and probably Gabbard.

    I don't have to share the same depth or purity in ideology, I have to believe my choice will beat Trump and make gains towards my ideology.
     
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    As an Independent I supported Bernie in the 2016 primary because his message was awesome.

    While he did not win the nomination there can be no doubting that Bernie has had a massive influence on our nation and he has reignited the liberal spirit of our Founding Fathers against the GREED OBSESSED elite who are oppressing hardworking Americans.

    I hope that Bernie sticks around for many years to come.

    However the question is about who is going to be the best Dem candidate to defeat the BLOTUS in 2020. TBH Daffy Duck would beat the BLOTUS so whomever the Dem's nominate only has to be credible and likable and they will succeed.

    So I am going with Warren because she not only has those attributes but she is also a serious thread to the GREED OBSESSED. They feel so threatened that they stating that they will withhold their funding to the party if she is the nominee. That is actually to her BENEFIT because she can raise all the money she needs via ActBlue and not owe the GREED OBSESSED anything after she is elected. Just imagine having a Treasury Secretary who is NOT a Goldman-Sachs lackey? Be great if she appointed Andrew Yang instead.

    Yes, Warren has what it takes to defeat the BLOTUS and she will have my support if she is the nominee.
     
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    Between Bernie and Warren.

    I voted Bernie because i think he has good intentions. Also none of his more radical policies would become law. At this day and age i think it's essential that no one party controls both Congress and the executive.

    Supreme court. I'm not too worried about.
    It's relatively independent.



    My biggest fear would be his weakness on foreign policy other leaders would push him around like a leaf in the wind.
     
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    As long as you have a 2 party system, party reform is the only viable option.
     
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    Sanders is no Marxist and Warren is a capitalist. Words have meanings.
     
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    Micheal Moore(lmao) you listen to him for guidance(rotf)?
    He's the last guy I'd listen to.
    So far I have seen no one worth voting for in either party....
     
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    You have it backwards, as long as you have only one or two parties, there will not be reform. Why do you think we have a Sherman Act? These two parties have nothing to fear and no incentive.
     
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    No, just agreed with him here. Appreciate you paying attention though. Sarcasm
     
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    Being that I am registered as Independent (since 1992) I have to say that neither Pocahontas (Warren) or the other Commie (Sanders) appeals to me. To be honest, I have NEVER voted for a Democrat in my voting life cycle (since 19 and 92), so I guess it makes my opinion irrelevant.
     
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    I'd vote for Dizzy Lizzy Warren! Why? Because she's the only one of these Democrat morons who has taken a strong stand in favor of increasing Social Security benefit-payouts! There haven't been any cost-of-living increases even worth mentioning in the past TEN YEARS!

    All we hear from ALL of these Democrats is that they can't wait to give illegal aliens all the welfare and healthcare they want -- but at least Dizzy Lizzy does bother to include a little something for American Baby Boomers retirees and taxpayers who have seen the REAL cost of living increase enormously in the past ten years -- especially for healthcare, dentistry, and medicines!

    Take a look! There was ZERO cost-of-living increases in Social Security for three of the past ten years! If Warren fixes THAT going forward, she could win the 2020 election easily.... So far, Donald Trump has not given any sign he intends to increase SS benefits at all.

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    campaign promises are nothing more than a 'sales pitch'... caveat emptor
     
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    i'll be voting for trump... anxiously await the left's implosion... again :D
     
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    Yes, you're on the right, we get it. Between the two (lesser of two evils for you) who would rather vote for?

    Either way, this was more intended for left leaning voters (and swing voters) anyway because I see it falling between these two for the lefts nominee.
     
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    yeah, i know what you were going for, however, i found the need to express my vote as a center leaning conservative... that said, i would have chosen the bernster, but he caved in to the dnc's demands and withdrew himself in '16 while he was still gaining momentum and would have toppled killery (aka hillary) or at the very least fractured the dnc in two which would have led to the 3rd party forming... he proved he wasn't presidential material then, or ever...
     
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    As a Republican, I chose Bernie. I figure even if he does get elected, he's not going to survive his term. That, and I think Warren would work better with Congress to get her agenda passed. Bernie would argue with them, and piss them off.
     
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    I voted for Warren. I'm not quite sure why I prefer her over Sanders, I just do.
     

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