What did Russia do to the election again?

What’s wrong with you? Putin said he didn’t do anything wrong,,,,and he wouldn’t lie ...lol

 

Trump cultists? My oh my, even your perception is affected. I supported and worked for sanders. I would never vote for trump. I align much better with the anti establishment democrat progressives, you know, the people your party represented and supported for so long?

I take it, you think Chris Hedges is your enemy and the enemy of your current party? You know, the journalist the NYT fired because of his reporting on the invasion of Iraq, and the lies involved? While I cannot agree fully with Hedges, he does have the big picture figured out. That both parties serve the banking/corporate/National Security Industrial Complex, and not the People. That we have moved into oligarchy, and the democratic party now a part of this. Giving us one party but with two heads. Well, this is actually self evident, unless of course you happen to be a partisan, a member of one of the two establishment tribes, or parties. For as you and others show us, being stuck in either side renders a brain incapable of actually seeing through the smoke, mirrors and political theater served up daily.

I think it is easier to see what some here see, when you can remember very different times, like the 50s and 60s, and then having watched the changes in just one life time. Then you add to that, several really good, factual books, written on our NSA and CIA and even the FBI under Hoover. But they say no one reads books anymore. But if one does not understand the reality and history of agencies like the CIA, and if one has not kept up with the lies, misinfo, disinfo and pure propaganda being fed to the People, well, if not, your view of reality, which looks like something from Leave it to Beaver, is sadly lacking in getting a good handle on the reality that one lives in. Being well informed of this, elicits cries from the naive and gullible, of conspiracy theories! And coincidently we know that our CIA coined that term later on after the questioning of the murder of JFK, in order to quickly dismiss any thinking that is different from what the gov't or the intel tells us. What a brilliant move by an agency who lives by the lie and deceit in order to manufacture consent for future actions against others.

 

And they agree without a shred of evidence. It does not matter how many agree with a ruse, especially if their own interests or the interests of their campaign financers, want the ruse to be true, in order for future profits. Or for other ulterior motives.

It seems that asking for evidence to support very consequential allegations is just a bridge too far, with the current mentality. With some of it driven by a fear and or hatred of an outsider in the oval office. But anytime the People will just accept what this gov't says and is given no evidence to back it up, you got greater problems than just the political class being deceitful. You have a large part of the population who no longer needs evidence. And that is very, very dangerous to what is left of this republic. Let us hope that this mentality coming from some americans, never makes it into a courtroom where a man is being tried for a crime. And yet, this mentality, is alive and well when it comes to these accusations and I have no doubt much of this is being driven by partisanship, tribalism, and the outright hatred of trump. And IMO, this is keeping the democrat party from making essential and needed changes, if they are to remain relevant going into the future.

This entire russian interference, the collusion accusations, had a smell of deceit about it from the start. I smelled a ruse and to date nothing presented, and the lack of hard evidence, does not support the accusations. It has been overblown and exaggerrated, with tons of hyperbole thrown on it, as the MSM kept it alive, even without any evidence.

I can easily change my thinking on this, and have no qualms about doing so, if the evidence is ever presented, which the NSA would have or other agencies, given the national security state that we all live in, where there is absolutely no privacy or even a right to privacy anymore. And I have waited for over a year on this evidence. Since there is none, other than the paltry spending of some russians on social media, which BTW, I never saw or was aware of, leading up to the election, there is no way in hell I will just believe that weak report from 3 intel agencies, which gave us zero evidence for their conclusions. The absence of evidence, even leaked evidence means something which the true believers of a russian conspiracy are ignoring. But they keep writing promissory notes which it does not look to date of ever being cashed. So we get hopes, spin, and promisssory notes from those that want a conspiracy to be fact.

I am to the point where I figure there will never be the essential evidence because it never happened, and it does not exist. And if you understand the reality that you live in, in regards to our gov't and our 3 letter agencies, you would have no problem at all determining this to be another ruse, driven in part by politics, on both sides, but also driven by an anti russia deep state which needs russia in another cold war with us, in order to keep the big funding and growth coming to those agencies, and in the self interests of those elites who make profits and income from russia being a great and evil enemy which demands a new cold war, a very expensive one.

Read War is a Racket, written by Gen. Butler. But since this would affect the blindness generated by political partisanship, I know those partisans will never read it. For it would destroy some of their beliefs. And weaken their partisanship, if they owned minds which are capable of critical thinking, as they had the ability to transcend their emotions and their tribalism.

 

It is Obvious you don’t believe anything you read...it’s all fake. I hope you were as indignant when they wasted all that money and time on Hillary’s emails and benGhazi. I’m sure you believed every word. We waited quite a while for Nixon as well.

 

And it is more than obvious, that you are either unaware of the lack of journalistic standards being used in what you read, and the lack of such standards irrefutably means, you are being conditioned by quite a bit of propaganda. Look, the free flow of information is supposed to be governed by standards of reporting, by standards of journalism. For these standards are essential in the transmitting of information, in order that the People might be able to make informed decisions and to get a more accurate grasp of the reality that they live in. And if there is a lack of these standards, you are supposed to be intelligent enough to notice this, and to be able to comprehend the implications of this. And to discern that you are being fed bullsh*t.

In regards to Benghazi, it was political theater, acted out by the GOP, that perhaps never would have seen the light of day if the Obama Admin had not lied to the People. It was the lies that fueled it, as well as political theater of partisanship.

But this russian ruse, has more than partisanship involved. It began is life as a misdirection, an excuse for hillary losing, but was then used by both parties, for different reasons. And then there were the self interests of agencies like the CIA, and lest we forget, it is indeed in the interests of those in DC who embraced PNAC. And yet, this perception that I have would have been avoided, if only the evidence of the allegations had been revealed over the last year. See, when you have such tremendous accusations and allegations, but no evidence, this creates the problem which you are ignoring.

In regards to not believing what MSM tells me and you, well, they have presented no hard evidence of the story they have been promoting since last year. How they have kept this story alive is by being clever, and trusting that their viewers are not critical thinkers who would demand evidence. And of course by blacking out contrary but credible voices of other learned americans, and by forsaking journalistic standards that are essential and mandatory with a genuine free press. You don't understand, nor comprehend journalistic standards, nor do you understand or comprehend what you have in reality when this is absent...or otherwise you would not have mentioned fake news. News that does not abide by journalistic standards is not journalism, nor is it "real news". It is something else. And if this most basic principle cannot be discerned by you, and apparently you are clueless to this, you are in no position to credibly make any observation about fake news or any other kind of news, IMO. You actually have to understand what a genuine journalism looks and reads like, in order to see that what we have in MSM is. And you are not aware of those standards which are missing, nor do you seem to be aware of how fundamental those standards are in defining journalism and the news.

 

And the educated ones too

In spite of your ignorance most trump supporters are as well or better informed than those on your side

 

Most educated people who voted for trrump regret it...

 

You’re right.....the msm is part of a mass conspiracy and obama lies but bush didn’t.And Trump is the pillar of honesty. I understand genuine journalism..My cousins worked for the Wall Street Journal before Murdoch took over. One of them won the Pulitzer for her expose on the tobacco industry.

 

What improprieties? You mean rigging the election? That was Hillary Clinton and the DNC rigging the primaries for Hillary!

Did Sean Hannity of Fox News share debate questions with Trump ahead of the debate? No, that was Donna Brazile of CNN sharing questions with Hillary Clinton!

Did the RNC ignore warnings that the Russians had hacked the RNC servers? No, that was the DNC!

Did Melania Trump have a secret meeting with the Attorney General of the United States to help rig the investigation of him in order to avoid criminal prosecution? NO! That was Loretta Lynch and Bill Clinton!

Did Donald Trump delete 33,000 emails, destroy phones and tablets and bleachbit or destroy several servers to destroy evidence which were under subpoena? NO! That was Hillary Clinton!

Did Donald Trump sell our uranium for $145 million dollars in donations to his foundations and a $500K speaking fee for his spouse? NO! That too was Hillary Clinton.

Did Donald Trump illegally launder money in violation of FEC laws in order to pay for opposition research in collusion with Russia which turns out to be all lies? NO! That too was Hillary!

There are SEVEN that are WE KNOW HRC did. Name one thing that President Trump did...just one.

 

More people, educated or not, regret voting for Hillary that those who voted for President Trump.

Check the polls, One year later, President Trump still wins!!!

 

I AM MEXICAN!

Yes, I believe it, it hasn't been debunked, in fact I've proven it over and over on this forum. There is no risk of deportation. Hundreds of illegal aliens cast a vote in one congressional district. It was discovered, and guess what, not one of them was prosecuted or deported.

 

Yeah, Hillary is still claiming the election was stolen by Russia. Pathetic.

 

The MSM carried Hillary to a huge loss that would have been even bigger if the press had been fair.

Yeah the DNC and the whole email scandal did hurt Clinton, but because they were warned by the FBI about the DNC hack, and because Hillary was warned about keeping classified emails on an unsecured server, and because she elected to destroy evidence that was under subpoena, she is the one to blame for the price she paid. That's her fault and yet another reason why she is unfit and unqualified to be president, and thank God she is not!

 

Whoever 'we' is/are, I suggest y'all carry on with your 'ongoing investigations' until the 'tangible proof' shows itself, otherwise it's all speculation or spin, depending where you're coming from?

 

No they dont

 

Actually, I believe that it was CNN, MSNBC and the liberal MSM who hacked the election. It almost worked for them. That's why they are furious, and have been working 24/7 since then in an attempt to finish stealing it. But to no avail.

 

That is bullshit.....

 

Conspiracy 3,478. I heard they all met in a secret Cabal

 

Sometimes an investigation is a just a concession to put suspicions to rest. Sort of like looking under the bed for your child to confirm there is no boogey man. In this case, it's to eliminate the distrust inspired by the leftist media after their scheme failed to get Clinton elected.

 

No it's real. Donald Trump still wins one year later. Geeze. I guess I always have to prove it. Can't look it up for yourselves or take my word for it.....
http://www.businessinsider.com/nate-silver-donald-trump-polls-2016-7

 

No, it was in broad daylight. They're just too stupid and arrogant to realize that even if they close their eyes or deny it, we can still see them.

 

Why not patiently await the issuance of an official report of the findings of the Trump Justice Department Special Counsel?

He appears to be diligent, scrupulous, and a model of impartial integrity. Hyper-partisan presumptions, especially the desperate ones being expressed, are not a substitute for such a thorough explication.

 

So if anything is done to sway elections....DNC or RNC aside, it is probably the Russians. Is that what you be sayin'?

 

I wrote a detailed and well founded description which is what "I be sayin'" which you then dismiss in order to type pointless diatribe which has nothing to do with my commentary. Clearly you have no wish to evaluate what this thread is asking or discuss the realities....Have A Nice Day