What do we Dems do with the House once we get it?

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  1. Pycckia

    Pycckia Well-Known Member

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    How about fixing public education?
     
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    webrockk Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Trump: I too have a pen and a phone.

    and the short-sighted morons could not say a word...

    hehehe
     
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    A couple of things. Bill Clinton's impeachment didn't cause the GOP to lose its majority. The impeachment was at the end of 1998. The Republicans held the majority in the House from 1995 through 2006. As for legislation that might embarrass the Republicans, Mitch McConnell If the GOP retains the senate will use the old Harry Reid trick of tabling every Democratic legislation that comes from the house.

    The bigger question I have, since the Democrats have made this basically an anti-Trump midterm campaign without any real initiatives or ideas, exactly what outside of regaining power do they hope to accomplish? I agree being just anti-Trump and not standing for anything else is probably more than enough to win back the house.

    What to do with Pelosi? That up to the democrats. She is toxic for sure and just mentioning her name in a congressional campaign, like in my Georgia CD-6 was enough for the GOP candidate to pull it out. That election went from being about Trump, a loser for the GOP, to being about Pelosi, a winner for the GOP.

    I would add this, whomever takes the reins if not Pelosi, will soon be vilified as much as Pelosi. I wouldn't let that enter the equation. Trump hasn't accomplished much at all. Outside his tax cuts, what else has he done. Legislative wise I mean. Replacement and Repeal of Obamacare failed, due to the Republicans and not the Democrats. DACA is no where near to being solved although Trump made some proposals. I really don't see much at all of Trump's agenda that needs to be stopped since he basically hasn't had one.

    The wall, well nothing there either.
     
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    Yeah but in their defense they do that anyway.
     
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    Are they also collectivist? Come on, use your big word, don't hold out.
     
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    Pelosi is as bad as Hillary Clinton. They should have got rid of her long ago. And you are right, the Dems might blow the midterms because of it. Trump couldn't be more of a horse's ass if he tried, but unless the Dems get some fresh faces and new ideas, Trump could win again in 2020 if he gets through this Russian deal and the economy stays strong. Losing Ryan is a minus for the GOP. He seems like the only voice of reason left in the party. Creeps like Jordan and Nunez are going to go for Speaker. It is really ugly out there right now.
     
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    What exactly is your basis for saying you will re-capture the House?

    My feeling is that the Dems must first capture the state legislatures and governorships - thereafter you erase all the criminal gerrymandering which negates so many Dems votes and "wins" political seats for the GOP. You're not even close to doing that.

    So how do you plan to win???
     
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    if it needs fixing it can only be done at the state level
     
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    See above.
     
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    The first six months will be spent dealing with the results Mueller hands over so not much will get done.
     
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    This, along with a REAL tax cut for the middle classes. If the Dems can guarantee no more screwing with Healthcare they will have a solid win in 2020. The pubs will be reduced to saying people should vote for them as they will take away their healthcare and give their tax cut back to the super wealthy.
     
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    I think we will hold and democrats once again will scream at the sky. Kelli Ward is way ahead in Arizona so thats one loser gone (Flake) and Gov Duecy has stated he will replace McTreason with Arpiao. BOTH are hard core Trump supporters. Arizona will be going deep red.
     
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    And this clearly is the disconnect. When you assert that your vision is the "right thing". As you tire of waiting for the rest of us to provide for you, perhaps you would discover the personal satisfaction and the enrichment of finding gainful employment.
     
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    We'll see how it plays out, but I think you Democrats are fooling yourselves into thinking the masses want you back in power. Believe it or not, the people don't want to pay more taxes, or turn the country into Guatemala.

    This was the message sent with Trump, that still hasn't been processed and accepted by the Democrats.
     
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    2020 is so far away. Could Trump win reelection? Possible. It all depends on whom the Democrats nominate. With Trump being nominated by the Republicans, I thought for sure the GOP was handing the Oval office to the Democrats on a silver platter. Then the Democrats throw that silver platter right back into the Republicans face by nominating someone as disliked by America as a whole as Trump was. Candidates matter and the rest is history.

    Politics has gotten extra, extra ugly over the last couple, three years. It isn't only the Republicans, but both parties. The Democrats are united against Trump much like the GOP was against Obama. But divisions galore remain in both parties. You just don't see the divisions in the Democratic Party below the surface much as they are united above water against Trump. Politics have gotten asinine, period.
     
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    First, the GOP must finish running the economy into the ground and spending like a drunk sailor then the Dems will take back control..
     
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    Democrats. Cleaning up Republican messes since 1992.
     
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    I believe the Democratic party runs candidates at the state level.
     
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    I like your reply. Reid tabled some 300 plus pass legislation bills from the Republican House. Outside of the very political active, say the die hards on both sides, most Americans didn't pay it much attention at all. I expect basically the same thing to occur. Time will tell.

    Yes, what gets passed in the new Democratic controlled house will be their agenda. But it is an unknown agenda until after the election. Will most Americans want it or won't they. I think that is where the Republicans went wrong when they recaptured the house in 2010. They didn't take America as a whole into consideration and went straight forward with their agenda which wasn't necessarily Americas. Hence all their bills being tabled didn't get much notice in the senate. I think the newly democratic house will do basically the same thing. The Democrats didn't pay any attention to America as a whole the first two years of Obama when they huge majorities in both the house and senate, only their own agenda. That led to the GOP take over of the house in 2010.

    There a group of voters called independents, the non-affiliated and less partisan. They now make up 40% plus of the electorate. One ignores their wishes at their own peril. The Democrats ignored them, lost the house big time in 2010 for passing their own agenda.

    Yes, it will take some time to demonize anyone who replaces Pelosi, but I don't think it will take as long as you think. Schumer demonetization was quick. But it may depending on the personality of the new speaker. One that is liked by America as a whole and seen as supporting America's agenda, not just a Democratic one. How to define America's agenda? Perhaps one should look at the electorate as a whole. The largest block or group are somewhere in the middle, in-between of the Republican and Democratic agendas. They don't want far right or far left agendas or tilts. Just a steady, slow progress forward.
     

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