What do we Dems do with the House once we get it?

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  1. jack4freedom

    jack4freedom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Pelosi is as bad as Hillary Clinton. They should have got rid of her long ago. And you are right, the Dems might blow the midterms because of it. Trump couldn't be more of a horse's ass if he tried, but unless the Dems get some fresh faces and new ideas, Trump could win again in 2020 if he gets through this Russian deal and the economy stays strong. Losing Ryan is a minus for the GOP. He seems like the only voice of reason left in the party. Creeps like Jordan and Nunez are going to go for Speaker. It is really ugly out there right now.
     
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    What exactly is your basis for saying you will re-capture the House?

    My feeling is that the Dems must first capture the state legislatures and governorships - thereafter you erase all the criminal gerrymandering which negates so many Dems votes and "wins" political seats for the GOP. You're not even close to doing that.

    So how do you plan to win???
     
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    if it needs fixing it can only be done at the state level
     
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    See above.
     
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    The first six months will be spent dealing with the results Mueller hands over so not much will get done.
     
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    This, along with a REAL tax cut for the middle classes. If the Dems can guarantee no more screwing with Healthcare they will have a solid win in 2020. The pubs will be reduced to saying people should vote for them as they will take away their healthcare and give their tax cut back to the super wealthy.
     
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    I think we will hold and democrats once again will scream at the sky. Kelli Ward is way ahead in Arizona so thats one loser gone (Flake) and Gov Duecy has stated he will replace McTreason with Arpiao. BOTH are hard core Trump supporters. Arizona will be going deep red.
     
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    And this clearly is the disconnect. When you assert that your vision is the "right thing". As you tire of waiting for the rest of us to provide for you, perhaps you would discover the personal satisfaction and the enrichment of finding gainful employment.
     
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    We'll see how it plays out, but I think you Democrats are fooling yourselves into thinking the masses want you back in power. Believe it or not, the people don't want to pay more taxes, or turn the country into Guatemala.

    This was the message sent with Trump, that still hasn't been processed and accepted by the Democrats.
     
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    2020 is so far away. Could Trump win reelection? Possible. It all depends on whom the Democrats nominate. With Trump being nominated by the Republicans, I thought for sure the GOP was handing the Oval office to the Democrats on a silver platter. Then the Democrats throw that silver platter right back into the Republicans face by nominating someone as disliked by America as a whole as Trump was. Candidates matter and the rest is history.

    Politics has gotten extra, extra ugly over the last couple, three years. It isn't only the Republicans, but both parties. The Democrats are united against Trump much like the GOP was against Obama. But divisions galore remain in both parties. You just don't see the divisions in the Democratic Party below the surface much as they are united above water against Trump. Politics have gotten asinine, period.
     
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    First, the GOP must finish running the economy into the ground and spending like a drunk sailor then the Dems will take back control..
     
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    Democrats. Cleaning up Republican messes since 1992.
     
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    I believe the Democratic party runs candidates at the state level.
     
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    I like your reply. Reid tabled some 300 plus pass legislation bills from the Republican House. Outside of the very political active, say the die hards on both sides, most Americans didn't pay it much attention at all. I expect basically the same thing to occur. Time will tell.

    Yes, what gets passed in the new Democratic controlled house will be their agenda. But it is an unknown agenda until after the election. Will most Americans want it or won't they. I think that is where the Republicans went wrong when they recaptured the house in 2010. They didn't take America as a whole into consideration and went straight forward with their agenda which wasn't necessarily Americas. Hence all their bills being tabled didn't get much notice in the senate. I think the newly democratic house will do basically the same thing. The Democrats didn't pay any attention to America as a whole the first two years of Obama when they huge majorities in both the house and senate, only their own agenda. That led to the GOP take over of the house in 2010.

    There a group of voters called independents, the non-affiliated and less partisan. They now make up 40% plus of the electorate. One ignores their wishes at their own peril. The Democrats ignored them, lost the house big time in 2010 for passing their own agenda.

    Yes, it will take some time to demonize anyone who replaces Pelosi, but I don't think it will take as long as you think. Schumer demonetization was quick. But it may depending on the personality of the new speaker. One that is liked by America as a whole and seen as supporting America's agenda, not just a Democratic one. How to define America's agenda? Perhaps one should look at the electorate as a whole. The largest block or group are somewhere in the middle, in-between of the Republican and Democratic agendas. They don't want far right or far left agendas or tilts. Just a steady, slow progress forward.
     
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    Yes and while the thread is about Dems taking back the House, as I posted previously, I do not foresee them doing so unless and until they first get back the majority of state legislatures and governorships. In this way they can correct the gerrymandering which guarantees Republican "wins" in every election. Once they do so the educational systems will be greatly improved as will the rest of the country and the world when they get back Congress (that is, if they ever do which I do not see happening at this point).
     
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    Hmmm.

    Well, consider what liberal/progressives have accomplished with complete control of California for almost 20 years. They gerrymandered the State so completely, not a single Dem incumbent that I can think of has lost in the last 15 years.

    Education is in the toilet, taxation is among the highest in the country, the illegal alien population is close to 10% of the total population, and it's home to the highest supplemental poverty in the Nation. There are many other accomplishments, but that paints the general picture.

    I'm not sure that track record is going to go down well in all the States the Dems would have to turn to achieve the results you think might happen.
     
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    In the past 30 years, that state has had three Republican governors and two Dems. Orange County has been a Republican stronghold and it went bankrupt because of the stupidity of its Republican leadership. As everyone knows the poverty rates are far higher in the Southern states which not surprisingly are controlled by Republicans.
     
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    So I've been thinking of some specific legislation I'd like to see passed by Congress. I don't necessarily consider these top priorities, but they're things we should do:

    1. Ban members of Congress from owning stocks, except in blind trusts or the like. (Eliminate the insider-trading temptation).

    2. Allow ranked-choice or instant-runoff voting in federal elections (more of a state thing, but at least a sense of Congress resolution would be cool).

    3. Propose a collection of bills that all have at least, say, 70% support among voters, as demonstrated in a variety of polls over a reasonable period of time. I once read a list of such bills, but can't find it now. Most of them are small-bore, common-sense fixes, not large sweeping changes -- stuff like tougher background checks for gun purchases, and finding a way to let Dreamers stay in the country. In other words, not attempts to rework the entire system, just little things that almost everyone agrees should be done. They keep failing to pass (or even be brought up for consideration) due to extreme partisanship and things like the Hastert Rule; Democrats would have a chance to change that.
     
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    Orange County filed for bankruptcy because of an ill advised investment strategy involving it's investment pool. It had nothing to do with how the County was run, or the prosperity that continues to this day.

    The last real Republican Governor, Pete Wilson, left a large budget surplus, and an economy the LA Times described as the Crown Jewel of Wilson's achievements.

    http://articles.latimes.com/1998/dec/28/news/mn-58333

    The Democrat Governor that followed Wilson was recalled.

    After that, the Democrat in disguise, Arnold the Fraud.

    The poverty rates in California are higher than in any Southern State.

    So again, with the track record achieved by liberal Progressives in a state where 1 out of 8 people living in this country reside, I don't think the people living in the states that need to turn are going to anxious to experience the same result.
     
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    There are many histories of the collapse of the GOP in California. Gerrymandering really isn't the cause, unless you think that gerrymandering explains things like the freefall in registered Republicans in the state:
    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/30/california-republicans-third-party-status-613568

    And then there was their doubling-down on white voters at a time California was growing more diverse:
    https://www.politicususa.com/2018/0...nia-gop-reveals-partys-national-problems.html

    Interesting thing about that article: it points out that what California went through 25 years ago is what the country as a whole is going through now -- a white-majority party trying to hold on to power as the country becomes less white. It suggests that doubling-down on white voters will work for a time, and then fail catastrophically.
     
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    You can believe whatever myths you want but that doesn't make any of it true.

    Orange County started the infamous "tax revolt" under Howard Jarvis and that's what created the California mess:

    https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2013/06/tax-revolt-35th-anniversary-prop-13-california/


    Everybody knows that the Republican run southern states have far higher poverty rates as shown in the many links we patriots have posted on this forum.
     
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    What other choice do the Republicans have? Better to delay the catastrophic collapse then to help bring it about.
     
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    Racist rants don't really move my needle.

    Perhaps you can get some high fives from other racists like yourself.
     
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    Um... how is anything I wrote or linked to "racist"? Jeebus.
     

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