What do we Dems do with the House once we get it?

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  1. btthegreat

    btthegreat Well-Known Member

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    There are a LOT of independents who's' lean' is only to get a chance to vote in primaries. Some are shrewd enough to pick the party which most often gets voted in in their district. In other words the only reason they pick to register as a Dem, is that the Dem nominee usually get elected in the fall. Its their way to game the system, not a reflection of a political lean.

    Some of the same voters who pine for compromise are the same voters who fall for partisan rhetoric and simplistic answers to the same complicated problems that need compromise. The same voters who claim they are in favor of compromise on health care, gets scared when some blowhard calls the potential for compromise 'socialism' or talks about death panels. I worry you equate 'independent' voters with politically savy voters when they may be as naïve and malleable as someone who claims loyalty to a party. Its that old 'Dems and pubs are sheeple but we are not - cuz we are independent ' line of garbage.
     
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    What do we Dems do with the House once we get it?

    F*** it up as usual.
     
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    As a Reform Party member, I don't consider myself garbage. I really, really dislike both major parties. I think in their own way, they are leading this country into oblivion. As the two major parties shrink, I believe that leaves just the extremist. Extremist that gives us Trump vs. Clinton, two candidate that including the 25% of all Americans who disliked both and wanted neither, that 60% didn't want Clinton and 60% didn't want Trump.

    You had on election two candidates, one with a 36% favorable rating, the other with a 38%. The two lowest favorable ratings of any presidential candidates since they began keeping track of these thing since FDR.

    The lowest prior to Trump and Clinton was Goldwater back in 1964 at 43%, G.H.W. Bush had the second lowest at 46% in 1992. No other major party presidential candidate other than those four has had a favorable rating of 50% or below. This is what our two major parties have become and whom they are giving the nation.

    I fear it will only get worse as the two major parties continue to shrink. They both will still believe they represent most of America when they don't. But the choices offered at the ballot box isn't a choice most want to make, but it becomes one forced upon them.

    Oh well, it is said we get the government we deserve, we certainly deserve this one.
     
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    .... Cut the defense budget 50% to help pay for “free” medical care and college.

    Declare war on Russia. Putin must be punished!
     
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    ... and he remains in office because the Dems don't have 67 votes in the senate.
     
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    Assuming every Republican is spineless partisan slime with no regard for the welfare of the country, the rule of law and the integrity of the office of the President, anyway.

    Granted, that does seem probable at this point, but a number of Congressional Republicans have shown at least some signs of humanity through this ordeal.
     
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    :roll:
    I accept your concession of the point.
    Impeach him. Nothing happens.
     
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  9. btthegreat

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    I said the line was garbage, not independents or reform party members or people who dislike the two parties. If you do not proscribe to this 'I- am- independent -and- a -critical- thinker and- you- are- a Dem/ Pub- so- you- are- sheeple ' line of garbage, don't assume I mean you. If you are a member of any political party including the Reform party, you are not one whit different from anyone who is a member of any other. You are as likely to drink your own brand of Koolaid, as I am likely to drink mine. How likely either of us are, is a matter for discussion.

    When I label myself as a Democrat , I am recognizing a formal association and an undeniable pattern of conduct as well as providing some general information about the ideas and views to which I subscribe. I may assert I have an independent mind accurately or not, but when I make decisions, they are far more likely to reward the Democrat. I must feel a loose affinity towards the values and ideas Democratic purport to assert, and like most of the platform. That does not make me inherently co-dependent or less capable of thinking critically or criticizing or punishing my party. I act as a partisan defending my party on occasion, but it is not some reflex response outside of my rational control.

    You see the two parties as leading this problem. Not sure that you aren't mistaking a symptom for the disease.
     
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    A Democratic House should also pass a resolution to apologize to the world for our immigration laws, inviting all who wish to come here to come.
     
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    I like that, drinking one’s own brand of Koolaid. You’re so right. Although we rarely run candidates, just decide which candidates deserve our support or not. But we so small these days, no one pays us no never mind. Not like the days with Ross Perot.


    Now you did bring back memories. I grew up under Eisenhower when the Democratic Party was then known as the big tent party. It seemed ideology didn’t matter much, just so long as your candidate could and usually won. It had its liberal wing and its conservative wing along with the middle. It also averaged 45% of the electorate from FDR until the Reagan revolution. A far cry from the 30% today. It was during Reagan I left that big tent party as they had drifted way too far left for me and shed it conservative wing with the beginnings of shedding or getting rid of those in the middle. I toyed with the idea of becoming a Reagan Republican, but the religious right kept me away. Although most everything else was okay with me. Then came Ross which I had known of him since 1969 in Vientiane Laos. He made sense. Concentrate on the national debt, leave social issues, abortion and the like up to the individual.


    Today, yes in a way I do look at those who are Republicans and Democrats of being kind of like sheep in follow the leader. I find it hard to fathom how one can choose whom to vote for strictly by the R or the D next to someone name. Odds are that you will end up voting for the best candidate half the time, the other half, the worst candidate.


    But who’s to say which is best or worst, that is an individual’s choice. No, I don’t like the two major parties, but I don’t think them as the problem. Then again, maybe so. Their constant drift left and right into the far reaches of the political spectrum, now that I view as a problem. Leaving behind most Americans who are somewhere in-between them. Maybe being part of the big tent political party spoiled me. Back then there were no straight party line votes. It seemed to me more of our elected officials in congress voted the wishes and wants of whom they represented instead of their party. Maybe nostalgia, maybe not.


    I saw no problem with a party that included FDR, Truman, JFK, Richard Russell, LBJ, Humphrey, John Stennis, Carter, John McCormack, and more all under the same roof.
     
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    Our immigration laws are more lax than theirs.
     
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    Except
    Those letters are suggestive and advisory, not orders for most of us. I look at the D, and then I look at what the candidate says and did, to see if it actually reflects mutual values and principles that I share with the party. I look at issues of character, competence and experience as well to see what weaknesses there may be. Then I look at the competition. If I find the republican to be more experienced, or competent and the position and issues are basically nonpartisan, I will willingly vote for the republican. If the issues in the Dem are serious, then I might have to swallow hard and vote against him even in a partisan post. I ALWAYS look at the litmus test of views and votes. If his reflect the popular views, and poll consistently well with his district and the party, its a reason not to vote for him. I want a mind that can take unpopular views and stand up for them. I always look for inconsistencies in his positions over the years. If he has not changed any, he has not grown and he probably can't grow.

    But it is true that the clear majority of the time, I end up picking the Dem and that is more true as the importance of the office grows in stature. We share common views and I won't apologize for having and rewarding them.
     
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    I have a penchant for sarcasm, Tog 6. :wink:
     
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    Projecting the shortcomings of the GOP onto the Dems is all you have?
     
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    When I see posts like the one above and #73 they indicate that there is already a resignation on the alt right that they are going to lose the House this November.
     
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    Not contesting that Hillary was disliked but she was not the choice of the extreme left who preferred Sanders whereas the extreme right managed to override the GOP establishment and impose the even more disliked BLOTUS on the nation. I suspect that Sanders would have won if the Dem establishment had not rigged the primaries because he was a likeable candidate for all his grouchy demeanor.
     
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    I know that was tongue in cheek but cutting the defense budget is inevitable if we can no longer borrow money and inflation runs rampant.

    Your BLOTUS declaring war is entirely possible although he will probably see Putin as an ally rather than a foe.

    If the BLOTUS does plunge us into another war we are truly screwed because we don't have the money to pay for it and no one will lend it to us either. That means raising taxes and then things will get really ugly here.
     
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    It is not our immigration laws that are the problem, rather tt is the ABUSE of our current laws by the BLOTUS and the AG. Yes, we do need immigration reform because what we have now is being criminally abused and children are the innocent victims of that abuse.
     
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    I'm from the UK.
     
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    I agree, the racism on the left exceeds that from the right.
    None of those measures where anti-minority

    Do you expect someone to believe that measures to crack down on terrorist gangs somehow equates to being anti-immigrant?

    That is pathetic.

    Racism is a cancer that you should seek help with.
     
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    To address the O.P.'s subject heading, were the Left to regain control of the House of Representatives then the first thing they would do is to collectively drop pants and dump a load all over this nation as per their Party's tradition.
     
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    I do too.
     
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    actually, the record clearly shows it is the right wing that creates a mess, then the patriots correct that mess

    Great Depression
    Great Recession
    financing of the Bolsheviks & Fascists which led to WW II & Cold War
    al-Qaeda & ISIS


    all of these messes created by the radical anti-USA far right but corrected by the patriots
     
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    other way around ;)
     
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