What do you expect from immigrants?

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  1. Margot2

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    I'd like them to be legal and literate... and I'd like for them to learn English and assimilate within a generation.
     
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    I'd like them to leave their anachronistic social values behind, if they're not prepared to join the 21st century and integrate with a diverse socially progressive population then don't come, they're already in a country that's like that so don't try and pull our social progress back 50 yrs...
     
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    I expect them to work for peanuts, receive no gov benefits, and go back where they came from after they are too feeble to help make the rich, richer.:rolleyes:
     
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    Speaking specifically to south of the border immigrants, if you could visit a park, lake, or resort and not absolutely trash the place, that would be great. Oh, and get control of your bawling kids when you go out in public.
     
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    well that should extend to everyone I doubt the recent joshua tree national park damage was caused by newly arrived immigrants...we have the same happening here but it's ignorant locals with their atvs and 4x4s doing the damage...I doubt many illegals can afford recreational off road vehicles
     
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    Fluency in the language BEFORE applying to migrate. Demonstrated interest in and respect for the new homeland (via testing on history, culture, geography, climate, economy, laws, etc). Must have a trade or tertiary qualification in a STEM industry, with work already secured. No artists, unemployed people, musicians, elderly relatives, or any other drains on the public purse. No subscribers to the Religion of Peace. No refugees (aid for persecuted peoples should be directed to them in situ, or to their nearest safe port).
     
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    I’ve read about that and it’s a shame.
     
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    Most do and by the third generation they end up wishing they had learned their native language.
     
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    Why do they give it up? Migrant parents can choose to teach their (born in the new country) kids the mother tongue, if they want to.
     
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    Second generation usually does speak the language at home but not out and the second generation often does not teach the third.
     
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    harsh...there are problems with that...
    okay to asked for qualified trained and education but having a job waiting for them? yeah that's very very difficult employers won't go for that they want to meet the applicants, my father was a tradesman but there was no job waiting for him he was required to find his own employment.
    Artists,you and I have done this duel before :dual:...jobs for artists maybe the largest single employer of any skill set...it's massive, that you don't realize or accept that is a problem...

    unemployed, hard to argue with that but what if he/she has a skill that is in demand in our country?...I like you have problems with pure economic refugees too, particularly when they jump the queue, wait like everyone else does...

    elderly relatives, I know your point here but often people we want/need won't come here without their parents, their countries of origin don't have a social system for the elderly...it's an easy requirement to have the immigrant children be financially responsible for their parents upkeep...in Canada we have sponsored immigration, the host/sponsor is financially responsible for the dependent newcomer

    religious nutters, yeah sure but how are you going to filter the nutters from the harmless? I have muslim friends who want nothing to do with them either that's why they came here...they're normal beer drinking, pork loving canadians now...

    persecuted...sometimes they have no where else to go, they flee to another country only to have that country lock them up in camps too or those countries don't have the means to support them...sometimes we need to step up and help
     
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    1) People secure overseas jobs ALL THE TIME. In 2019, it's no biggie.

    2) Artists are a luxury we can't afford (as individuals or nations) unless and until all mouths are fed and food/housing etc security is established. To succumb to the self-indulgence of believing we can pay for such luxuries while people still starve, is outrageous.

    3) I mean ALL refugees. Whether economic or not.

    4) If you don't want to leave your elderly relatives alone in your home country, stay there. Very simple. There will always be others without such burdens who'll come in your place.

    5) I'm not going to 'filter' the nutters. I'm going to say NO to ALL members of that religion. Those like your friends who don't care for either the reality of their faith, or the possible exclusion of the faithful, can leave the religion. Again, it's VERY simple. Religion is not race, you can take it or leave it. Leaving it is a very good sign that you're serious about your new country.

    6) There is always somewhere to go, obviously, since so many 'refugees' go far FAR further than the nearest safe port. The only fair treatment of such people is to NOT uproot them from all that is familiar (by forcing them to come to us for aid), and to take the aid to them. Would you want to be ripped out of your familiar environment and forced into a completely alien culture, in order to be fed? Exactly. Of course, any 'refugees' who DO want that, are clearly not genuine. It means they're seeking something other than basic survival. IE, economic migrants.
     
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    3-..how are employed tax paying artists a drain or luxury?...they're employed in every industry, you're just blind to it...two of my daughters both Uni Fine Art graduates have a combined income of $200,000, both tax paying homeowners at 26yrs of age...any immigrant artist that can hold down a job at 100K per year, pay taxes and is a net revenue generator for my country is welcome here...
     
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    because when your tribe is starving, you cannot spare bodies to recite poetry. you must all hunt. once you've downed a bison, and gathered enough grains for the winter, you can afford the luxury of a few stanzas around the fire.
     
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    Most immigrants speak more than one language. Most americans speak only their own.

    It usually doesn't take an immigrant long to learn english.

    Give em a break. After all, we are not france.
     
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    I'd like them to be legal, and work towards economic self sufficiency. Its none of my business what language they speak and when they 'assimulate'. If they want to sit in their abode and never speak a word of English, or wear a pair of jeans, or in any way change their cultural expectations, traditions or become 'Americanized', that's no skin off my nose, and none of my business. If they spend money in our economy, and produce an income and thus some tax revenue, they will provide a net benefit. Insofar as assimulation offers them more opportunities and a softer landing, its in their interest. They can do it at any speed they want.
     
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    Automatically assuming immigrants bring anachronistic social values and an unwillingness to integrate suggest to me anachronistic social values and an unwillingness to integrate. :cool:
     
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    I'm %100 sure they would all love to learn the new language but for older accompanying parents/grandparents that can be extremely difficult...as for the younger adults I've never met any that didn't...some some people are quicker at picking up language skills than others and some work industries that don't allow immigrants many opportunities to intermingle with native speakers to speed the process along but they all do manage some level of proficiency ...

    regardless the immigrants every country really wants aren't the adults, it's their children who will blend seamlessly into their new country...
     
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    you're telling this to a european immigrant who married the daughter of an chinese immigrant ...an unwillingness to integrate and adapt isn't an issue in my life story...
     
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    In which case you need to reconsider your statement because it clearly implied that all immigrants have “anachronistic social values”. You’re exactly the kind of person who should be standing against such lazy negative generalisations.
     
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    I didn't imply all immigrants have “anachronistic social values” you made that assumption all on your own...anyone at all in tune with current social/culture immigration issues would know what I was referring too...
     
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    If you actually said what you meant, nobody would need to make any assumptions. Your perception of “current immigration issues” may well be different from other peoples’ so you can’t assume everyone will read the same subtext you intend. I’ve no doubt there would be plenty on people in America who would lump your wife’s family in with the “bad” immigrants after all and I’ve equally no doubt that some of the people you’d lump in with the “bad” immigrants are, in fact, just as forward thinking and integrated as you.

    The entire focus is wrong really. The debate should be about bad things (regardless of who is doing them) rather than bad classes of people (however you’re categorising them). Complaining about how immigrants don’t integrate is no different to complaining about how citizens are racist.
     
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    It's not language for the sake of it. It's committing to learning the language as an indicator that you take your new nation seriously.
     
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    Nope. I live the immigrant life also, and we're absolutely opposed to the importation of 'anachronistic social values', and believe that far too much of that is being imported. We stand against NON-INTEGRATING MIGRANTS, and against those who enable such behaviour.
     
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    Besides .. telling migrants which side of this argument they should be on?

    That's like a white man telling POCs how to feel about being POCs.
     

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