What do you expect from immigrants?

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  1. crank

    crank Well-Known Member

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    Do YOU realise that I'm talking about TENTH generation and beyond? Still speaking the language of the nation their ancestors left centuries earlier?
     
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    All of that, and you're not even aware of the tenacity of spoken Chinese in the Diaspora? If you were as informed as you say, you'd know for example that there are many Chinese in places like Malaysia and the Philippines, who still don't speak the local language despite 500 years of residence in those nations? There are many many more who speak both languages, and a good number who speak both PLUS English.
     
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    Even with your disingenuous attempted moving of the goalposts, you are incorrect.
     
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    Not as their primary language. Nope. Not in America.
     
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    That is not correct. You misunderstand the situation.
     
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    No goalposts have been moved an inch. I have never included the exceptions (when only one of the parents speaks the alternate language) in my argument.
     
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    OMG. Sure, when I LIVED THERE, I must have been delusional. All those Hokkien speakers who had no 'Malay' were figments of my imagination.
     
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    You didn't understand what you were looking at. You are attempting to fit your memories to your prejudices. And, we are talking about immigrants to the United States, if you recall.
     
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    I'm talking about the MODERN diaspora. I've lived around it for decades, both in the East and the West. Nothing has changed. And I'm talking about the worldwide diaspora, not America. The Chinese have been all over the world for centuries, yet retain language in the home. You can argue with it if you like, but you'll be wrong.
     
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    We've been talking about immigrants in America. It matters very much what country we are talking about. What I've been telling you is fact.
     
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    America has a long history of immigration, and it provides proof that among immigrants the young ones learn English very quickly, and assimilate immediately. Older immigrants take longer. We are all living proof of this fact.
     
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    I'd like them to follow the law, and work to contribute to society and understand we are a melting pot, we should be in the process of becoming one people. Americans.

    That said legal Americans should be doing the same.
     
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    I like your commentary here. Just wanted to add, most immigrants actually do abide by your stated desires. Only a small minority don't, & they are the ones that create much of the disdain for immigrants generally--which is unfair to other immigrants & unfair to Americans as well.
     
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    That's acceptable.
     
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    Legal entry and assimilation.
     
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    All of us want that--including Democrats. All this hullabalu about Democrats wanting "open borders," is nonsense--simply Republican & Trumpist propaganda.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Democrats are the only hindrance to stopping illegal entry. Of course they want open borders AND they want healthcare for illegals. I saw all Democrat candidates raise their hands!
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    do you differentiate between legal and illegal?
     
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    Democrats & Republicans actually want almost totally the same thing regarding immigration. Both want illegal immigration stopped. Both want legal immigration supported & kept healthy. Neither wants open borders. Beyond these items, there are legitimate differences. Republicans oppose healthcare for illegals & most Democrats support it. The reasons Democrats take that stance is because: 1. Illegals are human beings & have the same natural rights as any other human being anywhere. One of those innate rights is the right to life. When that right is challenged by disease or harm is some way, we as human beings owe them the right to medical help & care. It's part of being a good human. My support of that help in no way contradicts my opposition to illegal immigration; & 2. Illegals are present in our American communities. When they become ill, they pose a risk to any Americans around them whom they could possibly infect with communicable diseases. It benefits everyone in that community--including us Americans--to treat infectious diseases & eliminate that risk rather than allow the sickness to spread & possibly become an epidemic.

    How can Democrats be "the only hindrance to stopping illegal entries," when Obama deported more illegal immigrants than all five of his predecessors combined--the most successful record of any President in the past 50 years--& a much better record than Trump, even with his extremist views & harsh treatment of Latinos at the border. Obama was organized, efficient & successful, but not mean. Trump is mean, inefficient, & notably unsuccessful. Why Trump supporters are blind to these facts is a mystery to me. They are out there for all to see.
     
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    Of course. Can you differentiate between truth & Republican propaganda?
     
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    I'm sorry/ You and I must be in different worlds. If someone enters my country illegally....you deport them and let their country take care of their medical needs, If there was any moral sense about the left they would realize, it is their antics, their cries for amnesty, their cries for free healthcare, their cries for sanctuary cities, that is the incentive for them to violate our laws in the 1st place! If it became "public knowledge" that Americans will enforce their laws, then illegal entry would decline to almost nothing. The other side of it is Democrats oppose e-verify in most instances. It is a sham just like these latest "soft coup" attempts. It has come to my realization the anti= Trumpers have a real disdain for what America was envisioned by the Founders. Their vision must be both Globalist and Socialist/ Communist in nature.
     
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    Nice dodge.
     
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    Our Declaration of Independence never said all Americans have unalienable rights. It said all men have them. It didn't distinguish rights based on national borders. Neither do I. Since I care about all humans, I support health care for those in need based simply on whether they are here. I also believe access to health care is a right, & not something dependent on whether one has the financial means first. I support any program to expand that right to its natural recipients. I support more socialist programs to expand benefits for all Americans. I recognize both the strengths & weaknesses of capitalism as a system, & socialism, & favor a mixture of both together as the best system. I find communism appalling for any society that cares about its people.

    I find Trump disgusting in almost every regard, as a President, businessman, or human being. He is the most inept, incoherent, illogical, & unqualified man to ever occupy the Oval Office.
     
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    Thank you. :)
     
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    Aside from the leftist blather you say about Trump..... so you try to be convincing that Americans should be providers for the worlds healthcare. At least that is what you advertise. How does that work? Anyone who wants to jump our borders and defy our laws the government will confiscate property from you and me to pay for their healthcare. Really sounds logical. What happens when government breaks the bank? and it will. What is the incentive to work in your world anyway? Everything is free and anything we earn will be confiscated?
     
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